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Behavior Shaping

Post by Warped Mindless » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:18 am

Of all the techniques in all the world, "Behavior Shaping" is my absolute favorite one. It's powerful and in a moment you will see why...

Behavior Shaping, its its most minimal definition, is making a little mini-cold read about a woman. If she has any interest in you at all, even a small tingling of interest, she will want to live up to the cold read so not to disappoint you.

Behavior Shaping is very versatile and can be used in many ways and in many situations. For example, lets say your at a bar and talking to a woman. You can introduce Behavior Shaping to help you with your goal of getting laid.

An important part of getting laid, specially pulling same night lays, is setting sexual frames. The best way to establish sexual frames is to use Behavior Shaping.

An example:

"I can tell that your a woman who knows how to have fun and that goes after what she wants."

"I can already tell that your a fun chick whos open too new experiences and wild adventures."

"You seem pretty sexually aggressive, which is cool because I respect women who goes after what they want."

The effect of these is pretty obvious. It frames the whole interaction so that its normal and appropriate for her to be sexual and to be open to you being sexual. Powerful stuff!

Although Behavior Shaping is great for seducing woman its also has many other uses. For example, lets say you promised a woman that you and her would so something but for whatever reason you cant. How can you avoid upsetting her?

"I have bad news but because your an understanding person (mini cold read), I know will you will understand that something important has came up (another mini cold read that goes on to shape her behavior) and I'm no longer available today. Thank for being understanding. (presupposition - assumes beforehand that she will be understanding and reinforces your behavior shape and cold read.)

Here is another example I sent a chick over text when she tried to flake on me. Her excuse is that she couldn't come get a drink with me because she had just gotten off work and was tired.

"Tired? You must have worked hard, I admire that. I also admire how I know your adventurous at heart and I know a chick with a passion like yours would be thrilled to come out and be cheered up by me and a strong drink. See you in 30 minutes. :]"

Its subtle but I included a Behavior Shape. I made a mini cold read about her being adventurous. No woman wants to be seen as not being adventurous so this works very well. At the end I added a presupposition by telling her I would see her in 30 minutes.

This is powerful stuff and works well but don't over use on a chick it or it will loose it effectiveness.

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Post by RetiredRodeo » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:23 am

Great read. Thanks Warped!
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Post by Sly_Wolf » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:07 am

Good stuff. This subject comes up every now and then but it's good to put it all together in one thread. I definitely need to use these more.

I prefer to say mini mindfuck cause that's what it actually is hehe but it's something you can incorporate in relationships as well.

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Post by Warped Mindless » Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:22 pm

RetiredRodeo wrote:Great read. Thanks Warped!
Thanks man.

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Post by kasabi » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:01 am

The idea of cold reading for the purpose of behavior shaping is good. In practice, it's far better to remove all the "I's" which only stands to dilute the message. "I think this. I think that. I can tell this. I can tell that . . . " - is an interpretation. While "You are this. You are that," - is perceived as a fact.

If anybody wants to get into cold reading, go learn from the pro's . . . palm readers, tarot card readers, etc . . . People pay money to 'cold readers' to tell them who they are. The 'pro's' don't go, "I think this or I can tell that or I think it's cool" . . . They just say it . . . with fortitude.

Also . . . if any of your are thinking about getting into this, why not go a step further and learn a bit about body language, facial reading, palm reading, etc . . . Even if you pick up just a little, you'll have something more substantial to say than "it's a wild guess" whens she goes, "Really? How can you tell?"

"Because the crease between your nose and your upper lip is well defined."
"Because the the separation between your index and middle finger are wider than other fingers."

Perhaps ^this type of thing works because I'm Asian. Non-Asians for some reason still think that I'm a math/computer/science wiz who knows Karate and reads palm. And Asians generally tend to love all that fortune telling stuff anyways.

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Post by garthy » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:36 am

This is called qualification LOL .
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Post by Warped Mindless » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:50 pm

garthy wrote:This is called qualification LOL .
Think deeper, this is different than qualification. Qualification can be used to qualify the girl, Behavior Shaping can be used to sexual frame, as a flake buster, you can open with it so the girls are warmer and more open to you (shape them as being friendly and open to new people) it can be used against LMR, ect...

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Post by garthy » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:52 pm

Warped Mindless wrote:
garthy wrote:This is called qualification LOL .
Think deeper, this is different than qualification. Qualification can be used to qualify the girl, Behavior Shaping can be used to sexual frame, as a flake buster, you can open with it so the girls are warmer and more open to you (shape them as being friendly and open to new people) it can be used against LMR, ect...
Its a branch in qualification called pre-loading , adam lyons talks about it in his qualification program.
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Post by Ezo » Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:48 pm

kasabi wrote:The idea of cold reading for the purpose of behavior shaping is good. In practice, it's far better to remove all the "I's" which only stands to dilute the message. "I think this. I think that. I can tell this. I can tell that . . . " - is an interpretation. While "You are this. You are that," - is perceived as a fact.

If anybody wants to get into cold reading, go learn from the pro's . . . palm readers, tarot card readers, etc . . . People pay money to 'cold readers' to tell them who they are. The 'pro's' don't go, "I think this or I can tell that or I think it's cool" . . . They just say it . . . with fortitude.

Also . . . if any of your are thinking about getting into this, why not go a step further and learn a bit about body language, facial reading, palm reading, etc . . . Even if you pick up just a little, you'll have something more substantial to say than "it's a wild guess" whens she goes, "Really? How can you tell?"

"Because the crease between your nose and your upper lip is well defined."
"Because the the separation between your index and middle finger are wider than other fingers."

Perhaps ^this type of thing works because I'm Asian. Non-Asians for some reason still think that I'm a math/computer/science wiz who knows Karate and reads palm. And Asians generally tend to love all that fortune telling stuff anyways.
Sadly I know karate and am a Science wiz, that makes me asian, right? Well, I am.

Anyways, I agree, cold-reading is extremely powerful when done right. If you do it right, you can tell her stuff about herself because they will be true.

The OP however talk about framing her reality by giving her a set of characteristics that you want her to have and then appreciate her for it. She cant really say no to validation right?
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Post by Warped Mindless » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:39 am

Ezo wrote:The OP however talk about framing her reality by giving her a set of characteristics that you want her to have and then appreciate her for it. She cant really say no to validation right?
You hit the nail on the head

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Post by TygaNasty » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:01 am

Nice post WM. Real powerful stuff. I do feel like I've read something like this concept when studying MM. (And that's def not a bad thing)

Just curious though. Did you meet up with the girl that you texted?

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Post by skills360 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:46 am

even though i am not too big on the "behavioral shaping stuff" , the reason is your game should be tight enough, that you do not need this stuff which is mm flashbacks...But, i have used something similar in the field: I was making out with the girl, and i isolated her, when i isolated her, she started getting cold, and going into a stupid ass qualification process, i am self sufficient, i am independent, and checking out her cell phone(she was uncomfortable and acting up).... I told her: " listen right now i do not give a fuck about self sufficient Laura, can you do me a favor and tell self-sufficient Laura to go away and bring back the sexy, fun, makeout laura that was on the dancefloor about 5 minutes ago. After, snap back, stop acting up...makeout!
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Post by THEGODFATHER1990 » Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:38 pm

I use this all the time, at first, it was an inconscious thing, then I razionalize it, it's very powerful, I'd like to have some more information, there is some book or audio, or video, that explain this stuff?

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Re: Behavior Shaping

Post by Warped Mindless » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:55 am

Someone asked me for a quick and easy technique to help guide a woman's actions and I was going to write about Behavior Shaping but then remembered that I already did back in 2012. So yeah, Bump.

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Re: Behavior Shaping

Post by Rapperfallito » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:43 am

Warped Mindless wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:55 am
Someone asked me for a quick and easy technique to help guide a woman's actions and I was going to write about Behavior Shaping but then remembered that I already did back in 2012. So yeah, Bump.
can you do Shaping?
I'm looking for books, pdf, manuals on Shaping in seduction but I do not find much
Shaping in this case is applied to seduction

it is a question of reinvigorating certain behaviors of the person in front of him ... so that he makes similar behaviors more frequently ... Shaping does invest a lot.

Shaping is fantastic helping us to lead to us and our goals can change the emotional state of the person in front of shaping is when you model his behavior as you want it to be Shaping is like when you move a puppet

unfortunately I did not understand well and I can not internalize it for this I ask you? Do you know her?

it is also a matter of making the person behave in a certain way, for example the sympathetic appearance is a form of Shaping

It is a very long technique to explain it is difficult to understand and above all apply it ...

In Italy few people are aware of it.
I'm looking for books and pdf to deepen I miss some pieces to fully understand the Shaping
the only manual that talks about it is to say vin: The attraction code (I think it's the only interesting part of that manual) (there are 3 ways to run it but the most powerful and useful is the third that needs hot reading / cold that I prefer to call it analysis)

I leave you with some examples:

I appreciate your greeting, so suddenly, because you have a little surprised, you know how? Like the crazy people who always do new things unexpected and that you know how to surprise, you know me crazy, but in a positive sense, you know what I would not expect that would make me understand that you are a free person and without fear? That you would jump now, so suddenly because crazy people do things unexpectedly

I do not give the numbers to strangers! So you're a stranger means that all we've said up until now is only a small part of you, who knows what else is there to discover

She does not speak then "I see you do not speak to me, I like people who do not speak know a lot of things" She replies It's true (example) Or another thing is irrelevant I: Yes, it's true, eh you see then we already have a point in common, imagine if we start talking.

 Woman (analysis)
Technique (shaping)
Man (after analyzing, shaping is used to bring it to the target of man)

Look Patrizia is a while that I talk to you and you look like a girl who knows what he wants and can also recognize a good knowledge.You but no blah blah blah.
Oh, see, I do not think you'll miss our next meeting leaving everything to chance without a phone contact

You're right, I'm small but we're both mature and intelligent people will understand that we have many points in anyway we are peers 😉Continuing the phrase "however we are peers, at least you will not tell me in this world superficiality take the upper hand no ?!"

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