Sorry man, but if you've read any of the stuff I've posted, you would know I'm not someone to ask about canned routines, as I don't use them myself.

Sounds like you have a decent order there from what I know about those routines, but I wouldn't focus on just one topic, such as lying, because it will get boring pretty quick. Multi-thread, by talking about things in between routines that their answers brought up. If you are doing nothing but asking them questions, you will lose their interested pretty quickly, you need to be talking about how they feel about things, how those things make you feel, because that's what will make them hooked.

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Ok My most imporant tool in my game is the octoberman! i get fucks all the time from girls using it but, thats the problem about it! it takes up too much slack!

I dont know how open up mixed sets and isolate AT ALL!!!!
Clubs are the worst 4 me! their too loud and all this stuff i need a basic game plan b/c all the stuff i use everywhere else wont work in a club.

1.Octberman (not club material) Lost my Comfort and seduction
2.Conversatinal thrading (not club material) Lost my attraction/comfort

Can you give me a basic stategy 4 the club?
I was thinking clubs are GREAT for routines but i dont want to become the entetainment guy

What should I do?

Me and my partner The Saint, like to just walk around giving girls high fives and hugs, showing them that we're where the fun is. That makes them want to find out who you are, then you talk to them.

Personally I think using things like the Octoberman Sequence borders on rape, so I really can't support using that in a club setting, or otherwise. It's just a trick to make them want you. I think you should work on building yourself a personality, so that they want to be with you because of who you are, not because of the shiny objects you can show them to distract them.

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hey Rye Lee,

im just looking to get a few answers that ive been searching for elsewhere without luck. So here it goes...

theres this hot girl (HB9.5) who works at a retail store and was wondering if you knew any routines or threads to help me out?



peace

risque

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Question here.

I suggest practicing on hired guns that have a lower value to you first so that you become used to talking to them and dealing with their work shields. Practice walking up to them with confidence, but without coming straight at them, come in at an angle, then joke around with them. Bust their balls for not having enough energy and enough fun, or for having too much energy and trying to trick you. Have FUN with them and note their reactions. Incorporate whatever other techniques you use regularly and then you'll know what to do for that 9.5, cause she's no different than the other girls, aside from the fact that if you try it on her and don't have practice, you've blown your shot.

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So Rye ive been reading tons of posts and watching tons of videos learning about the art of PU. Ive recently been dumped by my 21 year old GF, i am 28 and ive not had many probs finding girls in the past but: for 1 im having probs approching girls at the bar even with studied routines and a decent wit. I have been practicing on girls i work with but still having probs with live ones. Should i practice more or take the plunge. Secondly theres a girl who works with me who has a BF she doesnt have a good relationship with. She is hot and i think she could help take my mind off the GF, ive been chatty with her but no forward movement, im kind of thinking the C+F thing to coax her out and mabey cause her to forget her BF for the moment any help would be greatly aprecciated... im coming to you cause your the shizz!!

Haha, thanks for the good word man! I'll need a bit of clarification on a few points, but I do still have some advice for you to start with.

What exactly are the problems you are having approaching girls in bars? Are you having approach anxiety? Are you not showing enough confidence when you approach and they are rejecting you right off the bat? Are you running out of things to say? Or is it something else?

Good job with practicing on the girls you work with, but expand it so that you are practicing on everyone all the time. Being a PUA isn't about having an alternate personality where you suddenly have the ability to pick up girls. You need to be socially capable and to learn those skills, I run game on the 70 year old woman I'm installing a phone line for, the 50 year old woman behind the till at the convenience store, the guy at the hardware store, the 20 something girl at the grocery store, hell I even had a customer a couple days ago that had the cutest little girl (don't fucking think like that, that's sick) and I chatted with her about how cool her collection of hats was, how much I envied her for having one of those little tramplines. Get the drift? It's a lifestyle, being more communicative and able to get the results you desire from anyone in any walk of life, in any context.

For sure run game on the girl with the shitty BF. If she isn't in a committed relationship, then she's game. You can tell if a girl is committed by how she talks about a guy and how she reacts to your advances (pretty sure I talked about this previously in this thread, so look back). The key is to not talk about the BF, he doesn't matter, but create good rapport, fun exchanges between the two of you and self confidence.

As far as your comment on practicing more, or taking the plunge, I'm a little confused about what you mean. I would say that taking the plunge, is getting your ass out there, saying, "Fuck this anxiety, I'm gonna talk to people, I'm gonna have fun and that's what matters." You go out, you be social and you'll have fun. You'll realise that THIS is FUN and that is why we do it. The only way you will get better is by practicing, so take every opportunity presented you to get out and talk to new people. It will be bumpy to start, you'll make a lot of mistakes, but you will learn more from failure than you ever will from success and so learn from those mistakes, but don't dwell on them. Be positive, because it takes time.

I've been seriously committed to this for about 6 months now and I'm finally getting the results I want. Doesn't matter who you are, this takes time.

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ok. i feel a little AFC about posting this but I think you may be able to help me, or at the very least provide an outside opinion.

I have oneitis for a my exgirlfriend. We went out for 4 months, but have known eachother for 3 years. We were in love, she was crazy about me, then her phone breaks and we don't speak for 5 days. at the end of this period, we meet up, and she breaks up with me in a cold emtionless manner. She's an HB 10, and even though I've had another HB 10, and a few other girls, she's the only one I "fell in love with", or got oneitis over. anyways...

it's been 3 weeks since this has happened and over this period she has reached out to me, said she misses me, and even wonderede out loud if she had made a mistake. I told her i still loved her, said i missed her too, and said I wasn't going to ask for her back. A week after the breakup, we go with a few mutual friends to a strip club. I immediatly saw this as an opportunity to make her jealous, and started sarging the shit out of the room. I did a decent job with the best looking stripper there, which made her jealous. My ex asked me to ride home with her, then I asked her to give me another chance on the way there. She said no, I teared up and poured my heart to her in a futile effort. Later apologized and said that was the last time I would try.

Couple days later she messeges me on myspace, we talk, and she says she wants to go out to a club with me and my friends cuz "she's been dying to go there". I've been making it seem like I'm over her, and been going out and having fun. I think she finds it hard to believe I'm actually over her.

I'm a 21yr old, good looking guy, and my game is decent. I have high standards, and I view her as an HB10. I know she's physically attracted to me, so I may try to use that to my advantage. And I know you hate this "help me get back with my ex" question, but I've gotten back with 2 previous ex GF's (2 for 2), so I feel like I have some experience in this and my chances are good. I'm thinking about making it seem like I've changed for the better, and using game on her all over again starting from the comfort stage, and escalating with a lot of kino

Update/twist to the previous situation here.

Also, weird situation here that I'd like to learn from where I started off really great and then things fell apart. Did I go AFC or did she simply lose her EN-tire mind?

Btw when she broke up with me, she said I deserved better, and she thought we were going to break up a year from now (it wouldn't last forever, which was probobly true). She has low self esteem sometimes, I think due to her ex boyfriend cheating on her.

Yesterday she texted me, and we talked. Then today she calls me and tells me that she got wasted (which she never does), stayed at some guys dorm with her friends, claims she doesn't remember texting me or talking to me, and said "nothing bad happened, nobody tried to get with me", (if we're not going out why would she even tell me that? Jealousy plot?).

I haven't made it seem like I want her back, I've been going out and having fun and I let her know that. On the phone it's real casual and fun.

Ok, there's a chance you can get this girl back and make it work for a little while. Why would you really want to though?

You've flat out said that she has low self esteem, she broke up with you for basically no reason, after breaking contact for 5 days because her phone was broken (obviously there's no other phones she could use, or perhaps this new invention called "the internet"), then she tells you YOU deserve better (more low self esteem) and now she's drinking to make herself feel better and ending up in random people's dorms, then blacking out and telling you that nothing happened. She's ALL OVER THE MAP.

If you want to get back with her, then that's your choice of course, but I personally think that you will only be doing yourself harm by involving youreself with someone that is so unstable right now. Maybe she's great girl, but unless you want to devote more than a couple months of constantly trying to make this work (because she's gonna continue to be nutty) and have her break up with you down the road anyways, then I suggest you move on. This is NOT a high value girl and she will make you less of a man by turning you into that guy that cries and pours his heart out in an attempt to hold onto her.

I would have said that you had a decent chance of making this smooth out, if you had fixed it right away (sometimes people do things and realise they made a mistake), but when you started crying and begging her to take you back, you demonstrated low value and now she doesn't have the respect for you that is necissary to create a stable relationship. If a girl doesn't respect you, then she is going to do fucked up stuff like what this girl has done to you.

You need to work on your inner game. Become happy with who you are as a person and what you are getting out of life. Don't make it about anyone else, make it about being happy with you, without relying on anyone but yourself. Become confident in who you are, to the point where you don't need someone else to make youre life meaningful and so that if a girl treats you like this, you don't feel broken by it, but instead realise the potential for growth and change in your life. When you get that handled, then women won't do these things to you anymore, because you will be the man that they respect and have complete faith in, so they won't be flopping around trying to figure out what to do with themselves like a fish out of water.

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i'm not sure what I'm going to do yet, but thanks for the advice. It was on point

Rye, thanks for the reply ill get a little more in depth. I feel like i have a great confidence level and not a retard when it comes to women. Most girl friends in the past have approached me and then ive taken it to the next lvl so mabey that could be why i have approach anxiety. I sell TVs and shit and have no problems approaching HBs of any lvl while at work and not running game on em. But when outside of work or trying to game girls at work i have a big approach anxiety. I think it starts before i approach and start thinking about runnin game and what lines i should use and so on. im thinking i should mabey think less about running game and just go and talk to them, but then i wont have lines in my mind or i might play everything wrong.I also have a fear of not knowing what to say next, or if i get stuck. Its not like i cant talk but just afraid of fucking up. By taking the plunge or practicing more i mean girls that are friends and dont know im trying to practice game on them like seeing which lines get reactions and shit like that. Second thing about the girl with the lame ass BF, is there some tell take things to see when i should ask her to do some thing, or should i keep running some C+F on her? I am slowly getting some responses like compliments and stuff but thats all. God im retarded for wanting young girls she is 19 and im 28 lol ... thats how i roll tho sorry about the long post any advice would rule and thanks again for the previous response.
Feels..

Ok, so you need to get away from the lines. They're not helping you, because you're thinking about them too much. The reason why people use lines, is so that they can memorize and practice them, so that when they use them, they don't have to think about them.

I think you should try working on the "just talking to them" thing and start talking to everyone, all the time, everywhere. Seriously, see how good of a reaction you can get from every person you interact with and interact with as many people as humanly possible. You see how long you can get your conversations to run and you'll see that they last longer and longer, because then you will know how to handle getting stuck, because it will have happened to you many many times and you figure out ways around it.

By doing this constantly, you're gonna make a lot of mistakes, so don't beat yourself up for them, appreciate yourself for noting them and learning from them. The more mistakes you make, the more you are going to learn and the faster you are going to learn, because you will learn more from your mistakes, than you ever will from your successes.

Just remember, the whole object of the game, or any game, is to have fun. That's why it's called a game. So if you're not having fun, then you're doing it wrong. Figure out how to play it right for you, because everyone is different. Don't just accept that since the M3 model works for a lot of people and that "Hey did you see the fight outside?" is great for tons of peaople, there are a lot of people that just don't enjoy doing it, so it doesn't feel right and they can't get it to work for them. Remember, if it's not FUN for YOU, then you're not doing it right and you have to try something different, because there's always a way to make it work.

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