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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:07 pm 
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Alright, it took me quite a while to put this FR together. My best friend's brother happens to be a PUA. He plays Juggler, and I must say that while I enjoy the comfort routines give me (to either cut off boring threads or just have something to say when I blank), I've regained faith in natural pickup. Falcon's game was super-tight, he's naturally a very interesting guy and definitely not AFC – after all, he was trained by Juggler's wings...

Anyhow, we decided to kick off the weekend with a quick meal and a bit of briefing from Falcon – my best buddy Jack is still far from enlightened, but I see enormous potential in that kid – he's attractive, determined and virtually impervious to rejection. I felt like Obi-Wan meeting young Anakin. So the three of us – differing only in skill, but not enthusiasm – set out to hunt.

Thing is, pickup started before we even got to the meal. Cracow is an incredible city for sarging – all the clubs are arranged neatly around a central square, which is filled with attractive women handing out flyers and inviting passers-by to the clubs they're promoting. Remembering the 3-second rule, I selected an HB8 blonde chatting to a male friend – I guess the dude was just keeping her company while she was handing out the flyers in the blistering cold. The conversation went something like

[Ace] So which club are you gonna convince us is better than all the others? (wink)
[HB8] I'm here promoting Cien.. (going into salesman mode)
[Ace] (cutting her off) aren't you freezing around here? I mean, your hat seems very... practical (slight neg, her hat was very thick and slightly ridiculous) but you look like you're cold. (To the dude) We gotta get somewhere warm quick (TC), but what other places can you recommend?

At this point I pulled the guy away and talked to him for a while, and over his shoulder I could see HB8 laugh at something Falcon was saying. She was hugging him within the first couple minutes. From now on, I'd take every word he said as gospel.

//Just a thought on the group dynamic over here. It wasn't planned out, but I opened and pulled the obstacle away, leaving her 1 on 1 with Falcon. Slightly different from the model where you bring your wing to occupy the obstacles... I might develop that in another post//

We left the set a couple minutes later – with HB8Blonde's number in Falcon's pocket.

The couple simple points I took from him in the restaurant (he did a whole basics lecture for Jack) were:

1. Always touch people on the approach – on the shoulder, arm, or the back. I did it to a psychology student at some point and she said something along the lines of

'Hey, you're touching me on the elbow... did you know that's a sign of dominance?' That did throw me off balance a bit, but to my delight, she followed with 'hang on, I never said I didn't enjoy it!'. Schweeet :D

If you're tactile from the start, not only does it build comfort, it also sets the ground for kino escalation.

2. 'Be the leader' – that was always a mystical statement to me. A simple way of communicating that you're the leader is physically taking the girl by the hand and leading her to different parts of the club. 'Let's go check out the dance floor', 'Let's go over there, I wanna tell you something', 'Let's go to the bar so you can buy me that drink' (if you've been through the 5 questions routine) and so on. And guys – this is GOLD.

3. The 'cool places around here' opener – plain and simple (how come I didn't think of it before!?). Come up to a set and ask them what good clubs in the area they'd recommend. It comes with a built-in time constraint 'we're planning to go somewhere else in a second'. Rememer, the point of the opener is to open – after about five minutes, people won't even know what the first thing you said was (that is if you cut them off and go into a routine). It also feels natural – for anyone out there with AA, it should make opening easier.

4. A fun routine for A3 (can also be used in C)

'OK... well, I could interrogate you and ask you questions about your life, but let's do something more fun. Tell me three interesting things about yourself and make one of them a lie, and I'll try to guess which two are true. Then I'll do the same for you.' Needs a bit of a polish, but it's a nice touch. It works nicely with the 'who lies more' opener and is a very nice transition to the 5 questions routine (search 'style 5 questions on youtube').

5. Make open-ended statements. I saw Falcon do it a LOT, and people would just barrage him with questions.

[Falcon] Hey, you're having the only Polish drink I could find when I was visiting Tokyo.
[HB] What, you've been to Tokyo?

You get the picture. Have something interesting to reel them in with. The cool thing about the routine I described above is that you can bring out your strongest points (the two true statements) and make the lie really boring (In my case, the lie was 'Im a software engineer').

6. Calibrate your energy level slightly higher than the set's. If two people who look bored are sitting at a bar and you open with too much enthusiasm, you'll come across as a freak. You need to give the impression you're having slightly more fun than they are (this raises your value, too).

So back to the report. We went to the club, opened a couple sets and for the first time I understood what social proof was really about. Within two hours Falcon was friends with not just the babes, but pretty much everyone, including the bouncers and the barmen. Fucking incredible.

Around midnight, HB8 arrives, just like she promised. So I take her by the hand (I cannot stress how great this simple move really is) and sit her next to me. I say hello to a few people from previous sets (DHV), one of them asks her if she's seen me do any of my magic tricks (she hasn't). I tell her I was spoiled as a kid and I need something in return. I then stop the time on her watch (awesome trick) and point to my cheek – 'gimme some sugar'.

'Tell me 3 interesting things' routine. She takes the bait. I'm solidly in A3. Anyway, I guess wrong.

[Ace] Well done, you're a pretty good liar! Hey, speaking of lies, have you ever played the 5 questions game?

I win a drink. We have some more conversation, turns out she loves art (incidentally, I do as well – not that it would matter if I didn't, I'd just pretend to reward her and justify my interest).

[Ace] This is so weird... I mean, when I met you your first impression kinda sucked, but now that I've gotten to know you a bit you're actually incredible... I feel foolish for thinking otherwise (credit: Mystery)

I then take her by the hand to the bar so she can buy me my drink. Then I take her by the hand (again) and we go to sit back down. I come up to a guy I knew from a previous set and I tell him I'll trade my drink (one she bought me) for his seat. He agrees. NOT SURE WHAT YOU GUYS THINK HERE – SPAM DRINKS SHE BUYS FOR YOU? IN MY OPINION, SENDS OUT THE RIGHT MESSAGE...

I point to my lap and say sit down. She does. We have some more general conversation, until

[Ace] You have no idea how hard not kissing you is... (wait a moment – no response) but it's not the right time yet.
HB: .......

At this point I thought I lost her, so I excused myself and went to the bar. I started talking to some Australian girl at the bar. HB8 comes up from behind, but I don't notice her (not a move, by the way – I genuinely had no idea she was there!). Falcon comes up, and from what I've gathered, their conversation went something like

[HB] Just look at him, such a PUA... Sitting there with his back agains the bar, relaxed, with that sleazy smile of his that says 'you're mine already'
[Falcon] Well... you seemed to enjoy it when you were at the other side.

Saved by the wing. Couple minutes later, when HB8 was getting ready to leave

[Falcon] Come on, HB8, take a picture with Ace! [we take a picture together] OK, now give him a kiss!
[HB] What, a proper kiss?
[Ace] Yup, now's the time...

K-close on a nice picture.
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My first proper k-close on a random girl picked up off the street.

[Borat accent] Great success! High five! Dziekuje!


On we plough.


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Forgot to add the first picture.

Hopefully she'll turn out to be one of my Polish MLTRs - I only go back 3 times a year, but now I'll have something to motivate me.

Please - bring out your comments/critiques.

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Heh, great report and I am flattered, but to all folks reading this - please take these compliments with a pinch of salt, I am just developing.

Using Jedi terminology (following Ace's Star Wars joke), I am but a Padawan. Definitely not a Jedi yet, although somewhat better than the regular crowd.

Hey, Ace, can I actually put here my version of the events from other PUA forum that I frequent?...


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Polish Falcon perspective on Triple Trouble Weekend - first night

Okay, on Ace's permission, in this post I will describe our Triple Trouble Weekend the way I remembered it. Three guys (me, my brother Jacky, Ace), three evenings (Thursday, Friday, Saturday). Three closes? Read on to find out!

We start on Thursday night. Their train came late, so we leave around 10PM. My brother is very "tired" after previous night party. The air is freezing cold (below zero). FYI, there are two partying zones in Krakow - old Jewish district called Kazimierz, with fancy bars and artsy clubs, where the thing is more about sitting and drinking, and Old Town around main market square, with lots of clubs and discos around, where the thing is more about dancing and drinking. Yes, drinking is the common denominator. We hit the Main Square in the Old Town first. We meet a blonde girl in funky hat who is SPAM invitations to "Cien" ("Shadow") club, standing there with two girlfriends and some guy. We start chatting (warmup!) and we actually get the idea to go to Rooster's to first eat something warm (official reason) and allow Ace try some MM routines on waitresses (unofficial reason). We manage to split the group, two girls leave, Ace takes care of the guy, I isolate the girl. We talk them into showing us the way to Rooster's, but don't manage to make them stay with us. Still, girl says to come and pick her up later, so she can join us for the club.

Ace actually knows a couple of nice magic tricks, but his verbal game didn't impress the waitress. The tricks, however, made us popular - folks from neighbouring tables would come over or peek or make comments. We talk with Ace and Jacky, I share Dallas stories and a couple of CA tricks and ideas. When waitress arives, I take over and instead of cocky lines, I try to make it personal. She studies this and that, I know someone from that school, so we try to find common friends, blah blah. I didn't even try to go for number close or anything, but she definitely became warmer then at the beginning when Ace was teasing her. He says that he know sees how JM works and that I'm not bad. Screw that, it's ego, I say I am just a beginner.

We join the invitations girl (let's call her AprilGirl). We first talk together, then guys stroll off a bit and it's one on one, but she is often getting distracted by seeing passing party people who might be temted to take the invitation. She keeps getting back to me, though. We are joking about my work and studies, because I am not telling her what I do, hinting on my travels instead. And then, BAM, my MLTR calls, because she is on her way travelling around Europe before coming to me yet and is stranded on some airport and needs my help. Crap, why right now? All these 'love' and 'darlings' start flying, way to discourage AprilGirl. Whatever. I try to straighten up the situation, then hang up. Back to AprilGirl. We agree that she will join us in the club, when she finishes her work with invitations. She keeps bugging me about my work'n'stuff, so I tell her that I will tell her three things about me, one of them false, and that she will have to guess which one is that - but also that I expect her to do the same thing in return, so now she should think them before joining us.

Story is getting to long, so let me abbreviate it a little bit. The club is located in the basement of XIX century tenement houses, in caves/cellars, three dancefloors, some twisted corners, quite some places for isolation. Before I finish my scouting of the place (gee, I need to go there more often), Ace has already opened a set. Two Australian guys and a girl, later two other girls join. Guys are okay, girls barely speak English, the one that is pretty is married, but as a warm-up set, it was okay. We then meet the guy that we have met with AprilGirl before, he's with some other girl, blah blah, some basic talk. I stroll around, open very sexy brunette in red, uhm, shirt I guess (makes her look half naked, notsure what this piece of clothes is called). Her girl friend leaves, but the girl says that she is studying something todo with physical education, I say it shows (what a body, honestly!), she asks how come. Instead of complimenting her on her curves, I wrap my arm around her waist, pull her close and whisper to her ear that it's all about the way she moves. I then go to say I trained martial arts for ten years and I can notice by looking at how people move how fit they are and what sport they practise. The compliment passed flawlessly, she thanks me, some more fluff talk follows, he shows me her biceps, touches mine, talk about studies and says with some regret in her voice that she would love to chat, but has a boyfriend and he's the owner of the club, so... I thank her for being straightforward, but say that it doesn't make the conversation with her impossible, methinks, and that she is really nice and I would like to talk some more. She beams up, says how all the guys around here are leaving her after she says she has a bf, and how nice it is to talk to me too. Anyhow, I don't want to have trouble with bodyguards and the owner, so I disengage later.

BTW, it is true. Most Polish players (meaning guys who go a lot to clubs, drink a lot, and hit on girls) are as subtle as a five-ton hammer falling on a girl. I haven't ever realised how few classy guys are around these places. I need to work more on my approaching, dancing, social and escalation skills, but all these muscled machos with chiselled jaws, expensive clothes and "I'm the toughguy" attitude don't intimidate me now. Well, at least significantly less than before.

I then walk around the club, joining Ace and his set, approaching one or two girls, talking with some black guy from States, sipping drink, high-fiving OwnersGirl whenever I see her and so on. I also noticed waitress from Rooster, funnily enough dressed very conservatively (as opposed to her skimpy work outfit). Fun times, fun times.

In the meantime AprilGirl arrives, we talk all together, I then lead her to the dancefloor (leading!), we dance. It's overcrowded, but we shake our bodies anyways. She's a volcano of energy, jumping, throwing her arms around, some really hot dancing also takes place, my thigh between her legs, friction, friction (you can call me frotter now). I then lead her to sofas, we sit down, lock legs, get personal. Unfortunately, this was my greatest failure of this evening - while the conversation was sparkling and sexy at the beginning, it became less so later on, less kino, argh. I did SOI though, I touched her a lot, played with her hair, caressed the back, we got the age difference issue sorted out (she's 19, I'm 27 - but I got her to say it's not a problem for her), I also managed to turn around the fact that I am just another boring computer guy. Later on we came back to Ace and Jacky, and when I left her for a while with Ace, this turned out to be a bad idea. I didn't want to struggle over her ("bros before hos", pardon my French), so I didn't interfere.

Some crazy dancing with a girl that came with the other guy followed and a weird situation followed. She had a band aid on her elbow and I assumed she was that guy's gf, so I kept cracking jokes about domestic violence and so on. Also, I didn't hit on her really, but there was some sexy dancing and double-entendre jokes. In the end, it turned out that she is not that guy's girlfriend (with a delicate suggestion that she is not taken), and also that she in fact doesn't have left arm and its prostetics. It really freaked me out. I mean, it shouldn't have, but it did. My imagination showed a slideshow of us having sex and I felt weird. It didn't spoil my night, but boy, was that unexpected. Now that I think of it, I should maybe have go for some mercy f**k with her, she said it scares away the guys and seemed a little bitter about it, it made me somewhat compassionate, but then again, I would feel like taking advantage of her.

My brother finally opened some set, three girls, rather trashy and not very good looking (well, one was all right), but he finally shown some initiative. For the record, he was still quite wasted after previous night, sort of justifies him. I joined for a while, got bored with girls, ejected and joined Ace with AprilGirl. She later bounced to other club with a friend she met, we were already getting tired and I didn't want to leave guys, so I declined the offer, even though she actually repeated the question to me specifically - I am a bit of a loser here, I know, but it was 4:30PM, I had to go to work at 9AM, and day before I also was partying, so I have decided to let her go. I managed to do semi-kiss-close, meaning kiss on the left cheek, kiss on the right cheek and then one straight on the lips. And then one more. Ot wasn't real deep kiss, but still, better than nothing.

Ace and I then joined my bro and his three-set, I ejected again (these girls were getting annoying), talked a while with OwnersGirl, who was already quite drunk, kissed her goodbye (just on the cheeks), talked to some guy in Japanese shirt and after some debriefing us three we prepared to leave. Also, my brother opened a two-set while leaving, without spectacular successes, but still - he tried. I rewarded him for that wink

Oh, one more thing - I saw pretty blonde eyeing me in the middle of the night, so I approached and told her I will join her on the dance floor later, and then I forgot about it. There was just too much happening. Bumped into her when she was leaving, said I couldn't find her before (no silly apologizing!), and instead of going for the phone number (her other friends around, us having talked to each other maybe for 30 seconds altogether), set up to meet her in the same club on 10th January 2008. She laughed and made me promise I will be there. Heck, am I getting good at it or what?

And then the night was over.

Also during these days - some flirty texting and mailing with three other girls, possible follow-up in January (because I leave Krakow for Christmas). Details might follow

Lessons learnt - I have not forgotten entirely what I have learnt in States. Ace said our approaches (MM vs JM) are different, but he gives credit where due. I still have approach anxiety, but I am able to contain and/or minimize it in most cases. I still fail sometimes, but my confidence is much higher. For the record, I didn't even dress up for that night, just regular black T-shirt and a cross between a sweater and a blouse - my weapons were not looks, but mindset and JM. Another lesson - don't trust MM guys. Don't ever let go the girl you're working on, persist, don't slow down. With more in-field training I can become better, but already I see results. :twisted:


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The bootcamp continues

Thursday night was cool and with lots of folks around, so we expected Friday and Saturday to be equally good. Unfortunatel, it turned out that all the students went back home for Christmas, which coupled with extreme cold outside (-10 degree Celsius) resulted in town being literally empty. Honestly, I usually see more people in the clubs on Monday than on these two days!

Plus, it was very cold, very empty and very misty, like the essence of Silent Hill. Nevertheless, we didn't allow such mundane thing as bad circumstances influence our upbeat good humour!

These two nights blend in one now in my memory, because there was so much happening. It is now like a puzzle of epizodes which I can't really put in order, so I'll just dump them randomly here :

- We opened a set of two girls in an empty pub, things were going quite well, we first asked them about places to go on this lonely night (introducing time constraint, since we were already putting our jackets on and showing we're about to leave), then I proposed that we stay with them. At some point AprilGirl joined us and then things went haywire. In the end the pair of girls left us, denying to give us numbers. My explanation was that my brother and Ace exagerated with MM stuff - games, routines, playing around with questions and especially negs. My brother's point of view was that me and Ace turned to much attention to AprilGirl when she arrived. Oh well, happens.

- We opened bouncers, bartender girl, visited a couple of clubs, then joined a group of Australians. 'twas fun, but no real progress. Ace was trying to charm a girl in the group, she turned out to be gf of one of the guys.

- When AprilGirl had to go, I managed to talk her into kiss close with Ace with a photo - he still has "hats off to PF" description on his communicator. He set a date for next day, but she was about to leave town by train and got twitchy about timings, otherwise he would have laid her.

- My contact lens breaks in two at some point and is hurting my eye badly, so I have to remove it in toilet. While coming back, I notice a group of Asian girls (in Poland? I must be seeing things?), but I am half-blind without my lens and don't want to stare. I return to my homies and send my brother to have a discreet look. He comes back and says there is only one Asian and two black-hair girls. Describes them as "mediocre". I then send Ace to open the group and join smoothly later. And then, BAM, the Asian girl says to Ace - "Hey, your friend's name is PF, he lived in Japan, he works here and there". WTF? It turns out she attended a lecture on Japan I gave in local language school two weeks earlier (I do this from time to time, there is always one or two girls that contact me after that smile ). I realize I have actually seen her there and wanted to approach, but she left before the end of a lecture. We're IN! Perfect logistics, perfect teamwork.

- Entered a very nasty club, too, filled with lowlife scum, mainly bald-head shaved aggresive youngsters from the suburbs. Talked with one girl and her brother, got her contact info right in front of both her bro and her drunken bf, bounced later on. No need to waste time in such a place, especially when you need tobe careful not to get into fight.

- Ace demonstrated to me nasty psychological trick : when a woman asked him for a light, he helped her and then requested a cigarette. She started being grumpy about it (rightly so!), but a bit later ... she gave it to him! Apparently, if you do somebody a favor, however small it is, they will feel obliged to pay it back to you. I put it to great use some hour later - we were passing near the train station and a girl was pulling her luggage. I helped her with it, escorted her to the train, maintained light, amusing conversation and when she was about to leave, I said "Hey, I did a favor to you, I carried your luggage, now I want you to pay it back - would you please give me you phone number, so that we can continue this conversation?". At that point I already knew she had a boyfriend, but nevertheless she gave me her phone number. "That's a nice trick" (say it in Trinity voice).

- We then chatted with booksellers at the train station and managed to haggle the price down by 33%, plus one of the guys warned Ace to put off his cigarette, as the guards were approaching (it's forbidden to smoke there).

- We went to the club where AsianChick works and bouncer got aggressive at some point. These guys on steroids have it sometimes. The barmaids (girls we opened previous night, including AsianChick) actually had to form a line between us. I know for you guys it sounds like a IIIrd world country, but there was no manager there, no contact info to club owner, no police around and therefore that troll could have us splattered just because he didn't like us. AsianChick managed to calm him down, he left getting back to his post at the entrance, we drunk a shot, talked for a while and bounced (grils were busy cleaning and closing the place). While leaving, I approached the bouncer, talked to him for a while and managed to have this issue sorted out (in case I might wanna go back to this club). Not that he fell in love with me, but we shook hands and parted on a neutral note.

- I opened a girl at a bar, because I noticed her glancing at coin trick that Ace was showing. She turned out to be a 19 years old soldier (girl soldiers are a rare breed in my patriarchalist and sexist country). She was all over us, got contact info, ejected.

- Opened three girls handing out clubs invitations in the Main Square, actually managed one of them to get instadate when she finished her duties around midnight. Got number, built report, spent nice time together. Potentially can continue in this New Year.

- In one empty club I notice the waitress from Rooster's... again! The thing is, she is sitting with eight guys. Ace calls me out to go and open her. I can't lose face in front of him, so I pull myself together and go there, take a chair, sit down, greet everybody warmly and ask her if she is that girl... Turns out she's not! She's amused, all the guys are sitting with round eyes and their jaws down ("WTF did just happen here?"), I smile, excuse myself and leave. We then laugh our asses off about it with Ace and my brother.

... and lots of other fun moments, too many to account for all of them.

As a side effect, my brother who came to watch us, gained a lot of respect for me. He was impressed, my parents actually asked me what happened in Krakow, because they overheard him talking with his friends saying "you wouldn't believe what my bro can pull out", and he wouldn't explain the gory details to my parents...

Summary and final thoughts

Two above posts were copied from my journal in private section of some other PUA forum. Sorry for double post.

As for my description, there is a couple of places where we remember things differently, so take it all with a pinch of salt, but by reading both of them, you can have a general image of how the things went. And they went FINE!

PsychologyGirl who cracked the thing about elbow was actually talking to me - this is the girl the luggage of whom I pulled around. Nice point, I have already forgotten it.

As for AprilGirl, well, she's there on the photo, and you can obviously see that we were both interested in her, but in the end she tends to stick more with Ace. Credit where due. Also, the famous photo-kiss-close was more on the lines :

AprilGirl kisses Ace on the cheek.
[Me - struggling with camera] Hey, wait, I wanted to make a photo of you two!
[AprilGirl] What, like, right now? Kissing?
[Me] Actually, I didn't intend to say that, but now that you got this idea, it seems cool. Go on!
...

The line about her enjoying the PUA-style conversation when she was on the other side was a good one, I've forgotten to write it here. And she didn't use actual PUA word, BTW.

All in all, this was a great event. I also learned a lot from Ace, including some MM routines, coin tricks and so on. Most importantly he is a great person to sarge with.

Also, I do appreciate his compliments, but don't take them too seriously - I am still learning and he hasn't ever sarged with true masters, such as Tim or Troy.

On we plough! :P


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I'm living i Cracow ;) If u are going to come here again just PM me ;) we can try multi-national PU on the most attractive women u have ever seen :D :)

Nice game, girl was nice too but in Cracow there is lots of more attractive women to seduce... ;) And i don't like indirect style :P :P
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1. Always touch people on the approach – on the shoulder, arm, or the back. I did it to a psychology student at some point and she said something along the lines of

'Hey, you're touching me on the elbow... did you know that's a sign of dominance?' That did throw me off balance a bit, but to my delight, she followed with 'hang on, I never said I didn't enjoy it!'. Schweeet Very Happy
It depends on girl u are approaching at...how u look (nice or like a bad guy) and the place when u opening at...so it isnt a rule...
I used to touch girls in clubs and pubs but when I'm opening on street I'm just keeping my hands away for first few minutes until a creat a little bit of trust ;) (I'm looking little agressively)
there is thin line between dominance and aggresion ;) so U must be carefull with it ;) and remeber u don't have to show dominance at the begining...u can do it after 5-10 minutes in set ;)

One time i opened girl directly (on street taking her away by hand from 20set)...she gave me phone number instantly...she ask my name but next day on date when i asked her what she was thinking when i was approaching her, she answered "i was thinking that U are going to steal my mobile phone" :lol:


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hey nice one ace, good to see you making progress.

especially to see you mixing mystery and juggler approaches too.


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^ that was me :)


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Well, PolishFalcon lives in Krakow / Cracow, so if anyone would like to hunt together... :D


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Was in crocow and warsaw. preferred cracow. The woman are very sexy and beautiful, unlike the shite u get in Scotland. Also there are no fat people in Poland and Europe in general, excluding U.K. :roll: :roll:

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- We opened a set of two girls in an empty pub, things were going quite well, we first asked them about places to go on this lonely night (introducing time constraint, since we were already putting our jackets on and showing we're about to leave), then I proposed that we stay with them. At some point AprilGirl joined us and then things went haywire. In the end the pair of girls left us, denying to give us numbers. My explanation was that my brother and Ace exagerated with MM stuff - games, routines, playing around with questions and especially negs. My brother's point of view was that me and Ace turned to much attention to AprilGirl when she arrived. Oh well, happens.


Falcon: I think I managed to pinpoint the 2-set (Marysia and wosserface) error: not enough DHV. In terms of MM, we were still in A2. We did not intrigue them enough, and they weren't compelled to validate themselves to us. Both you and I tried running A3 material, and it hit a brick wall. Should have gotten right back into A2, maybe conjured up a 50PLN note and sent one of them off for a drink, fuck, anything... Well, anyhow, it's just something Mystery said in one of his seminars and it fits the situation perfectly.

One more thing: I can't possibly figure out how a hot AprilGirl entering the scene could have made things worse for us, if anything it was DHV (we hang around cool girls all the time!). So I think Jack got that wrong.

And yeah, point taken, I have definitely overnegged ;-)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:48 am 
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From my point of view, we just didn't build enough comfort. But heck, let's not overanalyse this, shall we?

BTW, do you remember girl in the bokstore action and how everything seemed to be connected with PUA (TV commercial, book quotes, etc.)? I remember the laugh we've had about this but not the details... Ah, I am getting old. :cry:


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Yeah... pretty weird, that. It was:

1. A jazz CD I was checking out - one of the tracks was done by a dude called D'Angelo

2. I flicked to a random page of some random book, and one of the characters was saying

'Do we open?'

3. A TV commercial for an investment group whose motto was 'GET SOLID'

I'm still doing research on comfort theory. I get the general idea, but what could we have done for 'more comfort'?

Yeah, I know, it's best to move on and not think about it too much. I've just been stuck at home for the past 3 days with nothing to do, I can't help it. And Style analyzed every single set, too, so maybe it is the way to go? ;-)

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I learn from good FR like this. People should keep it analyzed like this one, good example..
Good job guys.


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Thanks man, glad you liked it!


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