Guys---seriously need some help. Recently I apply a mix of MM, Cocky-Funny and everything in between. I got literally 0 issues with picking up (in multiple mediums and scenarios)

However lately, these chicks consistently pull a 180 out of nowhere and either my game is flawed or, I am picking the wrong girls.

Case and point eg below.

Girl A- Met out and about, she seemed to really like talking, texting ect, went out on a date, had a fun time, lots of IOI, kino ect. Went out for round two (couldn't get to her apartment for seduction) but made out a little in the car. THEN (I mean RIGHT AFTER the date with no triggers), very rarely texting, very rarely calling...scheduling conflicts for dates, the whole nine-yards. I am positive my behavior didn't change, and there was nothing between date two and this shift in behavior.

Girl B- (A week after girl A), met this one online....I literally got 107 text messages in one day from her. We were suppose to go out on Sunday, but, she cancelled plans with her Dad (her Dad was visiting from New York I'd like to point out) just so she could go out with me a day early....On the date, lots and I mean LOTS of IOI, mild kino, and that was it (I was exhausted after work). Then like flipping a switch the exact same behavior girl A had, this one had.

What the fuck is going on!? My game? The women? Karmic retribution?

Just as a followup....with both these, I just felt like being a dick and burned the bridge for the hell of it. Essentially it was a sort of "This is odd behavior, I don't think going out is a good idea, Ill see ya" I don't chase women and have 0 patience for games. I suppose that's the problem with choice.

I'm responding to this because I am getting a lot of fuckin thermonuclear 180s recently in cases like you describe, and let me say in my case, I think it's a flaw in my game. In fact, girl B sounds a lot like my most recent online girl I met for a date. I'm still left scratching my head.

In your case, is it perhaps possible that they got a little of the player vibe from you? I have a friend who hits walls with girls because they tell him they think he's a player, and it's like he has to go through an all new 'screening' process to get through to them all over again. This is still confusing to me because I know deep down they like the fact that you 'may' be a player.. I'm just trying to brainstorm for you here..

@Teknine-Player vibes do NOT kills a picc up,nor does it ruin a lay.

It actually amps it up.

@M2-Got damn,girl 2 is a real texter.I tought I was a texter(lol).

Guys it isnt much of a flaw in game.

It's called backward rationalizing by the girls.

They do it or various reasons:a secret bf at home,she just laid a guy earlier or yesterday so she feels slutty being out with a new guy(you),etc.

Only remedy for this or to prevent her backward rationalizing from happening is to lay her that night of the date!

Longer you wait to lay her,more reasons she'll come up with to not sleep with you.

Girl A most likely felt bad and slutty for making out with you in the car so she's now trying to distance herself from you.

That's why it's better to NOT get a girl all horny if you're no able to lay her then and there.

She'll regret the making out afterwards.Then withdraw from you.

Not all chiccs do this but I'd say 80% of girls do.

So the only solution to this dilemma is to: not get her buying temperature sky high by making out unless you have the logstics to lay her.

Dont get her horny unless you can seal the friggin' deal.

Or else she's gonna later feel slutty and flee as she's doing.

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You know whats fucked up- Girl B asked me why I was online. I told her, I need a new "screening process" Hahaha If anything however, the player vibe would only hurt you with LMR.



I do tend to get them all hot and bothered without fucking. I use specific phrases, gestures, the whole nine yards just to leave them hanging if I get the sense they aren't ready for anything. However- let's be honest, I hate to sound like a dick, but if she is fucking other guys while I am taking her out as well....she is a slut.

With Girl A believe me I tried, but couldn't get anywhere, everytime I said something like "Why don't we go back to your place and watch a movie," she always had an excuse.

Girl B, it was only day one, day two I could have pulled it off, but, not 2 hours into it.

It's possible this is backwards rationalizing and if so how do you counter it? The only other explanation(s) I can figure out were:

1. They are trying to gain control. Up until this point I called the shots.
2. They REALLY like me, so want to slow it down...blah blah chick shit....I don't know...I am out of ideas.

Either way I need the why and what can be done.

it could be an attack of frienemies as well--shes fine with you untill she talks to them--then ''how well do you know him'' ''he could be a weirdo pysco rapist weirdo stalker killer for all you know'' bla bla bla

This is an excellant point. Is there anyway to combat this? I am also thinking of vanishing right after a date for at least two days...

@Herne-Good point.

In fact,frienemies might be the biggest reason for this.

Obviously these girls have gf's whom they talk to about the guys.

Once her gf's dont approve,she will then withdraw.

That's why I said,the longer you wait to lay her,the more time she has to come up with excuses:"he's weird,he think Im a slut,my gf's dont like the idea"...

Only counter for this is to have f-closed her sooner.

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This is true- there are girls out there who have a vested interest in keeping their friends single as fucked up as that sounds.

However, I got to at least be well into day two before most of these girls think about letting me upstairs....they're professionals and in there late 20's and 30's with degrees and careers and shit. In college it was easy, but these chicks I date now I have to work a little bit to fuck close. That's where the snag is

you are failing in the seduction dept. in my opinion, is your job to make them have fun at the same time turn them on, smooth, you are failing in seduction...

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Makes sense, however, like I said, some of these girls have doctorates and their days of sleeping with random guys are long since past! It's a real pain in the ass to get back to their place or mine. After that I am gold....but, that step is tough. Plus in order to pull THAT off you have to build a lot of rapport, most of these dates don't last more than 2-4 hours....I got to have at least double that time to get the seduction going....I build it like a mofo, but when it comes time to say stuff like "Why don't we go back to your place and watch a movie" that's where it drops off. After about 6-8 hours I have no issues. It is just getting there, making sure our schedules match for dates, the whole nine yards.

When I was in my early twenties, you didn't give a shit about jobs, or school or whatever, so it was an easy thing to hang out for hours on date one and pull it off. In my 30's there's a whole other level of bull shit to jump through.


Any recommendations?

Do you ever use styles trick of dropping by your place for a few minutes to pick up something before you both go out on the date--so shes been over to your place,you didnt do anything so going to your place will not be such a big deal for her

Forgot all about it, and have done it in the past. However, most of these are like meeting somewhere for dinner after work, or boat ride in the inner harbor, stuff like that most of the time we ride separate. With girl A on day two, she rode with me and no amount of "lets just go back to your place to watch a movie" seemed to work. That's the only issue with that. I can't very well get to the restaurant and say: "hey forgot my wallet, let's take a ride back to my place to get it." if we ride separate. I think we're on the right track though with this. Got to be a way around it.

K, first have them meet you at your place, they drive to your place, and then both of you leave together, make her come in for a few seconds to your place before you leave... After the date you will tell her at least 3 times during convo. that you got a go home and WAKE UP EARLY because you have to _________, then when she drops you off, DO NOT TALK ABOUT a movie that is weak, tell her you got a show her something(do not tell her what it is, is a surprise and then you will repeat for the 50th time that you got a get up early no to get any ideas and you will act like you are sleepy/tired and you will tell her just to come in for 5-10 minutes), when she comes in, show her some type of massager(one of those weird ones they sell at the mall), and without permission massage her in the back, and say doesn't it feels great... then freeze her, and say i will be right back, come back spend 5-10 minutes, freeze her and say i will be right back, then turn her on....

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Your Frame is all fucked up, if you believe this bs, then why would they believe different, i am 35, the game does not make any difference, actually if a girl tells me she is higher up in education, Doctor, Lawyer, etc... I know automatically i will get laid faster, those girls gave up most of their youth to study, they want some excitement in their life, i dated a doctor she was a freak...

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All valid points. Maybe my frame was a little screwy. In my twenties, I just acted on instinct but being a career man I had to learn control and discipline, perhaps that spilled into my game.

I have a couple dates coming up. What I will try is having them meet me at my place. Have them come in and 5 minutes later leave. There is a restaurant near me right on the bay, which is full of chick shit, do other stuff and THEN give it a go.