Alright so there is this beautiful HB8 i met at a store maybe around a month ago. We talk over text alot, and i go visit her at her work maybe twice a week (she lives 30 min away, and shes closest to me when shes at work).
She shows IOI's, and encourages me to come visit. And i know that im not in the "friend zone"; we flirt too much.
So its been getting better and better, shes gives me kisses on the cheek goodbye, and told me shes talks about me to a lot of her friends (good things).
Im going over to see her today but i am determined to get a kiss out of today. i know she has some issues going on in her life right now, and i was actualy thinking of bringing it up when i see her - just to talk and connect. At the end of it i want to ask her

" i can see things arent as bright as you want them to be... hopefully this helps *then i go in for the kiss*"

its all i really got right now, id use the "do u want to kiss me? i didnt say u could you just looked like u had something on ur mind", but we usually chill outside where its rly sunny.

Any help is great! thanks.

I'm not a fan of going for an extra step, like say a kiss close, while working on her negative emotions. Saying "I know things have been hard for you lately" then going for a kiss is without a doubt working on her negative emotions. And to be honest the connection you build with her while talking with her will mean more to her then if she gets a kiss from you at this point.

I'm a big disbeliever in advancing with women with current issues, because it's taking advantage of their vulnerability, which will cause the girl to almost 100% make her feel regret, and will tarnish the pick-up in the long run.

If I were you I'd let her problems go and let the seduction bake for a bit....be patient with women with problems, cause it's not a fact that her day or week or month is going bad....she is still thinking for the moment and once a guy uses that to his advantage most women will have the very first thought of "I think I've been used", and I almost guarentee that'll happen.

Best time to operate a kiss close is once you've had an upbeat conversation with her. Once you pile on the good, then they'll be expecting more good. Its a lot like how an object in motion stays in motion, but the good should flow seemlessly into more good and build. That is the best case scenerio for planting a kiss on a girl without her feeling any regret afterwards.

Keep that in mind...but if you're new then I suggest you try what you have planned, and learn from it. Don't get upset if you fail, just microcalibrate the situation and learn from it. It's best when you're first starting out to make mistakes. Don't always rely on us as your number one go-to outlet for getting better at picking up women. The number one go-to outlet is first and foremost genuine experience.

Yea i understand what your saying, and trust me im not that type of guy to use a womans weankess to get them in bed. Im just not too sure how to initialize a kiss ! and im sure that if i kiss her she wont push me away or back off, im just having a hard time trying to figure out how to do it.

It also doesnt help i get nervous around this girl. She is not my one-itis dont worry, but she is beautiful.

Best way to get a kiss close is work it into the format she has already set in motion with you. You say she kisses you on the cheek?

I say you should kiss her on the cheek then say "I'm better at this then you may think. Someday I'll hit the target." Then walk away. If she asks "Better at what?" say, "Saying goodbye", Then just walk away.

Then the next time you see her and you two say goodbye kiss her on the forehead. Then say "No, No, No...I can do better, but I've got to go. Take 'er easy" Then leave.

Then on your third time talking with her from now...end the conversation with a kiss on the lips, and say "Right on target. I told you I was better at saying goodbye. Take care" And leave, and she'll have butterflies in her stomach.

that sounds actualy very compatible with our relationship at the moment.
Yea she gives me kisses on the cheek, but i kissed her last time on her cheek, as i gave her my necklace to remember me by.

Maybe im just being anxious, but i really wanted to get a kiss out of today. I think ill have to see how it goes today (sometimes her friends are around) and how the mood is. Im usually good with making the first move and i havnt been rejected yet. So if the mood arises i think i will go for it, but if it doesnt feel right when i see her, then ill play that technique you mentioned.

Which is really sweet btw, im definitely trying that out.

Don't try and rush it. You're obviously still in comfort with her and that (In my opinion) should last a large majority of the courtship.

You hear a lot of guys trying to get with a girl in one night. Which is possible, but this on going idea of what pick-up is and what it has come to be thought of (Which is getting guys laid quick), is so old school and primal and stupid to be honest.

What is life all about? Building and sustaining relationships. Period....that's it. And for people who think planting their seed and building a family is the root to all life is about (Which is a lot of what Mystery builds his method off of, but for many guys lifes meaning is even more pathetic than that), if you sit and think about it, is completely wrong. It is a part of life, and just picking a milestone in ones life as being the cream of the crop of existence isn't giving much credit to the foundation blocks of what life is about. Cause if we keep thinking this outlandish idea that humans are primal then that is not giving us much credit for how wonderful humans really are, and I honestly think that is the fall of man these past generations. You hear about old people saying all the good stuff is happening to such a washed up generation...it's because of that thinking...that mindset that is crippling the growth of current generations.

So I say slow down. Relax. Take everything in and take time to think about what you are doing and saying to these people, because what pick-up is is simply building your social skills to the point where you can build long lasting relationships with these women, but also see the benefit in building platonic relationships with women. That is when you feel pick up has done something for your life. Not when you've successfully gamed a girl into fucking you. But when you can call up people you truly care about and have a party and let the good times roll.

So slow down....the prize isn't the kiss with the girl. It's the relationship. And from what you've told me so far about you twos relationship....you're already a winner.

Haha well i do agree with you. Im not here to become a master PUA and get any girl i want and sleep with them. I honestly love being in this community just because it applies to all of lifes challenges.
Like im already a pretty open and outgoing guy, i just want to perfect it; no what i mean?

And its not the fact that im rushing to kiss her, i just know that when i do, itll take things a step higher. I actualy have no intentions of getting in her pants right now (would be nice one day obviously), i just want to get to know her more, get more comfortable, and have excitement. Actualy, thats the main reason why strive on this relationship between me and her, is because of excitement. And i know im not a boring guy to her, im not that boring at all actualy. I always make her laugh, make her smile, etc.

But, im still new to this forum and the PUA world, so im also just intrigued to see how she will react when i kiss her, and what shell do. Im interested to know what can come out of it. If itll make things worse/better, if she changes the way she talks to me. Im still practising, and a lot of what iv learned already iv tried on this girl and it has helped out soso much.

I think im still going to see if i can kiss her today depending on the mood of course. And i have been patient too, iv been taking things slowly. I just want to see what can come out of it.

Well im off to see her right now, wish me good luck!

Thanks a lot guys, i appreciate it

Keep us posted on her response.


Take care brother.