Ok so I was a just natural gamer at one point then watched let the games begin and decided what the hell why not try a few books? cant kill me so I did Anyways I have now just finished mystery method and I have to say I liked it so then I go git 60yearsofchallenge and it kinda goes against the teachings of mystery's method so i have to look at it like this ether one works and the other dose not , or they both work?
just want some guys that have some time working with both to give me some feed back .

I think the Mystery stuff is more realistic on opening sets and I think a good neg might help time to time . also it just sounds way more fun

with 60' I like that it is more low pro vibe might go out and try to combine the two idk like say do a mystery open mid game it up 60's style and close it with natural game

try to use elements from both, try things you like, try the things you don't like, work on the things you are not comfortable with, both methods work, with MM you are trying to create a social value disparity and create a prize frame, making it socially acceptable for the girl to be with you then establishing comfort once she deems you are more socially valueble then her, finally pumping BT and closeing, the model suggests phases and you can usually see where your at using qualification, and testing for kino compliance/isolation, only problem is girls often try to move backwards in an interation and the model is not concrete, just cause you have deemed you have a attraction does not mean a girl will want straight raport for the rest of the time she speaks with you, she might try to break report herself and move backwards, either way MM is very good to start with

now 60YOC is more be social gain social momentum to get into state, start with small escalations, qualify and screen right away, pump BT and try to pull as soon as there is a mutual its on moment using persistance and physical/situational escalation as the key to gaining the attraction, this method also works

most systems work on the same principles be social, try to find a girl who is attracted to you, (normally you can tell right away if she qualifies for you and will isolate) then talk to her until she is comfortable enough to move forward to sex sometimes this takes a few hours, sometimes it takes a few days, sometimes it takes a few minutes, the best way to find out is to escalate at a pace your slightly uncomfortable with and just practise pushing yourself outside your comfort zone until you are able to calibrate, and i don't just mean physical escalation, often you can kiss a girl right after meeting her, maybe practise just going up to sets in a club and just try to kiss a girl right after meeting her for your opener, often you can just qualify and begin talking about sex right after meeting a girl by leading, you will never know how comfortable a girl is with this until you try, but i always think the sooner the better, its easier to escalate fast and back up when they are not comfortable then have a 2 hour long set that stays neutral and goes no where, physical escalation is the same way, better to touch early and keep escalating then to not touch early then randomly start touching later comes off as your trying to get something instead of, hes just a touchy guy

I haven't got any of 60s products and am only going off of what has been posted here but my $.02 worth is that 60s approach would work more for trying to score a SNL at a houseparty or club where people are already looking to hookup and would be a way to screen out those that are already somewhat attracted to you and are game to get down to business.

Where as Mystery is more geared to coming in under the radar and approaching someone cold and establishing some kind of attraction and then rapport and if a SNL isn't in the picture then trying to get some kind of follow-up meeting or day 2 out of the deal.

They both have their pros and cons. If some gal catches your eye and you want to some how see if she will integrate into your life somehow, Mystery may be the way to give it a shot.

If you are at a drunken houseparty and just want to find a chick to go upstairs with you for some fun 60 would definately be the most efficient way of finding one that is game.

You may get called creepy and even freak a few people out but if you go through enough people you will find one that go for it at some point too.

60 will have you going through chicks and determining who is horny and wanting to fuck right now in the most efficient manner where as Mystery would have you telling DHV stories and magic tricks for 7 hours.

with Mystery you would probably come away from a party looking like a social and interactive guy but you run the risk of burning up the evening telling stories and be social. with 60 you will likely get laid by someone but there will be others talking about how creepy and touchy and aggressive you were.

I`d definitely absorb both.

I`d start with 60, get into MM, and then go back to 60. The intent being 60`s approach is both a beginner and advanced approach. Different levels will be understood at different stages of your game.

MM is great for a detailed, structured approach to iron out your game, and be conscious and aware of where the hell you`re at! (if you can relate )

(I jumped on this thread because I`m at the same place, discovering 60 and dabbling with MM, a lovesystems coach had mentioned that magic bullets (MM) was the foundation, and he spoke of his evolved game with 60`s language, so I`m assuming that`s where he`s at)

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Hey thanks guys ya It cant be a bad thing to know more then one way to game so I am excited to try this out game on !!!!

Read both. MM to let you understand the game and get you used to the game, 60's to delve deeper and go further. That's my take on it.

Read both but focus on 60YOC.

In MM, there's like 9 stages? and seduction starts at 7?

60's seduction starts at step 1.

MM does however teach you how to be SOCIAL.

60's teaches you how to be SEDUCTIVE.

For getting laid, Seductive > Social.

However, 60's does say, something about 3S's Social (approaching) Seductive and Sex.

So use what you learn about being social from MM in the approach and then the rest is 60's but I'd say 60's is probably more win.

Both of those methods have their merits!

Mystery Method works really well for mental masturbation and running around in circles, continuously trying to validate yourself from childhood insecurities while reinforcing and perpetuating limiting beliefs that ultimately lead you to want to buy more information from PUAs that say that social value is key. I highly recommend it if you like advertising your insecurities through compensatory means and if you hate women and just want to try to fuck them in order to feel better about yourself in a sick and twisted way.

60's stuff is great for getting laid. I highly recommend it if you want to get laid. Check out my review (link in my signature).

LOL. Chief that sounds harsh

HAHAH ya i might just have to finish with 60' s sounds like you guys like it alot,
and are you guys joking with the MM stuff or is it going to f up my game?

He ain't kidding, his posts are really passionate about how flawed MM is.

Chief is 100% correct.

If you want to be a homosexual, use MM.

If you want to stick your penis is a vagina, use 60yoc.

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LOL Chief

I recently went out and had 25 decent approaches (my personal best) after reading 60's material. Resorting to past goals, I resorted back to MM (without finishing 60's material) and had a lackluster night at best. (It involved chatting up dudes and waitresses because I was over-analytical in-field)

If you've got your game tight, and want to explore different avenues / styles, then I'd give MM another shot, otherwise, ride 60's wave because the 'MM' has already seem to crash. (Tipping Point)

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