So I met this HB8 about 4 months ago, we have a lot in common, we used to be coworkers in school, stuff like that. Despite being a newbie to the scene I somehow managed to text game her, and we hooked up about 2 weeks later and became FWBs.

Unfortunately, I began becoming too needy, wanting to see her all the time and checking-in on her constantly, acting like a boyfriend and she got scared off. Eventually she said I was becoming too needy and a little disrespectful because I don't take 'no' for an answer (doesn't mean I get violent, I just get too persistent in the wrong ways- another AFC mistake I suppose).

This talk also happened right before a weekend-long roadtrip, so obviously no sex was in store. However throughout the trip there was still some kino, holding hands, kissing on the lips, she was stroking my arm etc. in the car.

I'm trying not to mention anything about our talk so it gives things time to cool down, but basically I've been LJBFed by my ex-FWB (total fail on my part). What should I be doing now to salvage it? A freeze-out? Because that was what I figured I should do: stop giving her attention. I'm also working towards GFTOWing tomorrow night.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys!

Change yourself up (Clothes hair ect). Be an alpha male. Don't be so effected by her.

She will turn around eventually but it may be a couple of hang out sessions for it to work.

If she's still minorly physical (Kino, etc.), do a mini-freeze out of no sex. Then try again. If that doesn't work, do a full freeze out.

well she froze me out of sex first, would freezing her out of sex work?

Sure. You're still FWB. She still expects sex, just not the overbearing part. Break her expectations.

we haven't had sex for a month though, mainly because she went on a trip with her family. so i/her am/is pretty much frozen. not sure if i'm overthinking this. :/

p.s. i sent her my last text 6 hours ago saying "man work is so much more boring than our crazy weekend", she texted me back saying "i know right, i was thinking the same during work too!".

then i froze her out since my last text, and she just texted me back saying she's sorry (i don't know what about). what should i do?

Find out what she's sorry about, then suggest you meet up-just the two of you.

she says she's sorry for being a bitch in general. i don't know what to make of it. continue freezing her out? i texted back with a bit of C&F when i asked why she was sorry

Probably means she was having a rough week when you were going after her, and it was all just to much. Tell her you want to get together to hang out. Don't tell her it's for sex, but feel free to lead it into that, as it looks like she's ready now. In the future, find out what's up with her before going after sex. You are a FRIEND with benefits, so be sensitive to her needs, especially if she needs space. Besides, you should have several other girls going on, so if you can't do her, do another.

cool then, when would be a good time to ask her out? she lives an hour away and i am unsure of her schedule so i don't want to give her the upperhand by deciding when we can meet again.

Don't overthink it. Pick a time you're available, and tell you want to hang out.

hmm ok then. i told her i have something on but tentatively i will pick her up at 6pm. she then told me to tell her if i go later than that because then she might skip out.

what if she flakes this time?

Then she's still not ready. Give her a long time of freeze out, wait for her to come back. Go out with other women during that time.

Just cool it down a bit.

Say,''I understand'' and nothing else.

Less is more. The more you try to explain things to her, the more confused it gets.

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ok so i'm meeting her for a live concert tomorrow at some restaurant, which should be fun. should i be escalating kino or should i be taking a step back?