Hey Guys,

I am new to the world of PUA. I have been reading books and watching videos for the past few weeks and I feel I am knowledgeable enough to begin approaching. I have learned from David DeAngelo, Alex Coulson, and of course the Pick-Up Artist Forum.

So now for some background:

I am nearly 16-years-old and have pretty recently become interested in really getting girls. I have always admired them of course but I never had the balls to do anything. I still suffer from approach anxiety but I feel the more I approach the easier it will get. I am going on a trip to Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and San Francisco tomorrow and I feel that these two weeks will be a prime time to fine tune my skills.

Please read all the way through and then pick it apart. It's not very original, more of a collaboration of bits and pieces I have seen around the forum. I need you guys to be as thorough as possible and tell me everything and anything that I could change.

Routine:

Me: "Hey I need a females opinion on something. You wanna help?"

HB: "Yeah, sure."

Me: "Ok great, who do you think lies more, men or women?"

HB: "Ummmm girls/guys blah blah blah."

Me: "Ok well I have a game to test that, do you wanna play?"

HB: "Yeah sure."

Me: "Ok, I'm going to ask you 5 questions. They goal is to lie to me. If I ask what color the sky is, you say green. But to make it more interesting I say we make a bet. If I win. . . I get your number; if you win. . . I'll give you $5. Got it?"

HB: "Yep."

Me: "Ok, what color is my shirt?"

HB: "Blue."

Me: "Where are we right now?"

HB: "Mexico."

Me: "What day is it?"

HB: "Saturday."

Me: "See it's not so hard. Ok, wait, how many questions was that?

HB: "3."

Me: "Just type your number in here."

If she figures out my trick and says "12" then I say:

Me: "Wow! Have you played this before?"

HB: "No."

Me: "Ok, so just enter your number here."

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So some things I feel can change or need help:

What should the bet be?
What questions should I ask to make this more fun?
After the game is over, should I continue talking or should I close and leave?
Is there any way to K-Close in this scenario?

Thank you so much!

Eddie

*Credit goes to Style for inventing the 5-Lies Game

That's too canned.

If you wanna play the 5 questions game, then just do it. You don't have to make up a convo and gear it towards it. You're too prepared, and anybody would pick up on it.

Just ask her if she wants to play a game called 5 questions. It's more natural.

As far as the bet, don't bet for her number. It makes it sound like she's above you. The whole idea is to engage her in conversation and have fun.

I usually bet for a drink (if in a nightclub), a kiss (from me, if she wins), a romantic dinner at taco bell, etc.. If I ever use the 5 questions game, the bet is always something fun, playful, or not serious.

Hey King,

I'm also pretty new to the pu scene.

As I understand it, you can open up with anything as long as you present it in a fun and "in the moment" fashion.

Like the previous post said, the conversation seems a little canned, but hey, if you believe that this follows your personality, more power to you and go for it. Take note though that your conversation is best presented if it fits the situation.

I am assuming that since you're 16 that you will not be hitting that many clubs and this opener sounds more of like an indirect night-game approach.

Day game would seem more suiting to your situation and the openers during the day are usually more direct. These openers can start with anything and just remember that as long as you are enjoying the interaction and expressing it as such, it will be hard for her to resist sharing the same feeling.

Hey, King!

What both the other posters said is solid. I just want to speak my piece and say that you don't need to over think it. What should the bet be? Go with as high up the intimacy scale as you're comfortable with, but make sure she knows you're doing HER a favor. You can actually ask her what she wants to make the bet into. Just have fun. Don't worry too much about the outcome, but definitely make a connection. When you're 16, and I'm assuming most of the people you're gaming are about that age too, you just want some form of connection to people so tat you aren't an outcast. Continue talking after the game. Build some interaction. You never know what you may run into with other people your age, so at this point, in the world of girl talk on the telephone at 12am and constant girlfriend texting, having a pivot in your school can be just as important as having your routine... Even more so!

Great advice guys. One thing I'd like to add is that with Opinion Openers like the one you mentioned King is that you don't want to bother asking them "You wanna help?" or "Can I get your opinion on something?" Instead, assume they will and say "I need a woman's opinion on something. Do you think men or women lie more?"

Same with asking them about the 5 question game and other gambits. Just say "Let's play the 5 question game."

The reason behind all this from my understanding is that (1) they wont have a chance to say "no, im in a rush" or otherwise stutter, and (2) it makes you seem less needy and control. You are taking the conversation in the direction you want to take, and not the other way around.

Have fun in Vegas/LA!

Thanks a ton guys. I am gonna warm up in the airport and just try to talk to as many people as possible and then once I'm in Vegas I will let loose and talk to as many girls as possible!

Thanks again for all the constructive criticism.