say you work out a lot and are in really good shape, and every once in a while when your at a party a girl or two asks you (actually demands you) to take off your shirt, what do you do?

this happens alot and i dont know what to do, sometimes i do it and get all this great attention, and sometimes i dont do it because its annoying cause i know im not gonna get any from these girls( why? i have no FUCKING clue ).

can anybody tell me why this can be?

thanks
big 'O'

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Vic Vega

last time a similar situation happened to me i didnt lift my shirt

me and my bud were hanging with these two chicks waiting for a 3rd to arrive

one and gone through my facebook and took a look at my pictures with no shirt

so she mentions that "somebody has hideaway abs" and then points to me

ice- oh really?
hb7- yeah i saw your facebook, they look real good in some pictures, and in others they arent there
ice- well all that matters is whats here
hb8(other chick)- well lets see them

i dont remember what i said at this point because this happened before i knew about the game, but i know i refused to lift my shirt because the hb8 was def interested now that i know what IOI's are, but the thing was i was winging it for my bud who was trying to hook up with her

i know there is no advice in here but its a story lol

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I'd rather go out swinging than strike out looking.
A lifestyle is a terrible thing to waste.
What I say when I see her is what I'll say.

let's see:

-ignore it

-say "no"... continue to just say "no"

-change the subject

Did I miss anything?

Idk, but i think this is a mini shit test in some cases and a IOI in others...

Mini shit test because the girl might be trying to find out if your overly cocky, IOI because she might find it physically attractive.

I have had a girl or 2 bring it up before and i usually go with something like.

"I'll take mine off when you do."

"Im not here to entertain you! Next thing i know you be throwing money at me, im not a stripper."

"Maybe if your real nice ill show them to you in a bit."

IMO it would actually DLV a bit because your doing as she says, instead of acting on your own accord. I think it offers you a good chance to be C & F...you might even be able to work out a DHV story based around how you got into working out or maybe how/why that pic was taken.

idk im new, but figured id throw in my 2 cents

Accuse her of trying to get in your pants, but your not that easy, she has to at least buy you dinner first... something like that after she works on you a little more take her someplace private and let her take it off of you... after you take her's off... we're gentlemen here remember ladies first

This is simple!

Loops!

She threw a hoop out there. Just through a bigger one back for her to jump through earning your jump through.

She should always be doing somthing for you 1st.

"Take off your shirt"
"Hmm perhaps, but i want somthing in exchange...you kiss her."

either they backdown (and you win) or things get intresting...

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Ratio theroy...

Arkitekt: Your replies don't get you anywhere, if anything they lose ground and this is a great opportunity to gain it.

Ka: Your second one is great, the other two I wouldn't use.

The Doctor: Yep.

Chikito: Yep.

I would have done what Chikito said, but I'm still working on finding that exact line where I'm going to far, or not far enough and I probably wouldn't have tried to kiss her until I read his post. I'm still playing it too safe and I need to break away from that habit.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

Yeah..pretty much don't take your shirt off cause your jumping through her hoops. Tell her that if she takes her shirt off you will too maybe. Emphasize the maybe. And when or if you do just pull the shirt up to show the abs and don't even take your whole shirt off. They may try to touch your 6pack then push there hand away and neg about that.

You're right. Sorry, my cheekiness was turned off and I was into "blow-off" mode.

Chikito is right as well. Just loop. Kinda like that ball on a poll game
from the end of Napoleon Dynamite. :) She spins it to you, you spin
it right back around to her, but faster.

Just throwing some stuff out here. If a girl asks you to take your shirt
off, maybe:

-"Are you hitting on me?" (I think that would deflect it back to
her. If she says "yes" or "maybe", then it's ON, esp. if you weren't
sure of her intentions.)

-"Why?... Are you interested?" (Once again, it puts the spotlight
back on her for an answer to guide the conversation.)

or

Hold your hand out and say something like, "5 Dollars for the first
second, 1.99 for each additional second."

I'd suggest that you stay away from giving girls the opportunity to say "no" in reply to your comments. Its an automatic response and people will say it even when the answer is "yes", just because they're so used to denying.

Instead of asking if she's hitting on you, you want to say, "Baby, stop hitting on me it's just shameless! " You want to push, but then pull back with the humour and by insinuating with how you say it that you really don't want her to stop, which is going to either get her to laugh (which is always good) or to hit on your more.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

next time it happens say something like:
"I only do private shows, but if you want me to take you to the back room we can work somethin out"

You have to have already built up a lot of attraction and comfort for that to work. If you are in initial attraction and comfort stages don't say that.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

I see your point. I guess you have to be careful of "yes" or "no" questions
in general.

So, for the sake of discussion, if I were to say “Are you hitting on me?”
in a playful, flirty voice (sly smile included) and she denied it and said
"no", do you think she would say it in that same playful tone?
Wouldn't it still go back to the ideal that it's not what you say, but
how you say it? Or am I just paddling up stream with this one?

Also, would it have that same push-pull dynamic you were talking about?

I apologize if this is veering too far off topic. I'm just curious.

Sheesh, make a new topic about that question! Lol, jk, don't do that! This is a discussion and this is relevant, so don't appologize.

I'd say that its paddling up stream. I know what you're talking about and it does happen sometimes. But other times, girls will say no, when they really mean yes and that doesn't mean they will give you a que with the tone she says it. I dated a girl that drove me crazy cause of that. She flat out told me one day that half the time she says "no" she didn't really mean it. So I told her not to say it the same as when she did mean it then. She told me that it didn't work like that.

Its basically and autonomic response (it happens unconsciously and uncontrollably), so what you can do to avoid that problem is just avoid situations where she has the opportunity to flat out say "no". She can still say no, but by giving you a lengthier reply, so she's only going to say it, if she truly means it.

The way push-pull works, is to push her away by making a comment like, "Ugh, you're way to flirty" and then run your hands up her sides. Its no a dynamic that occurs between two people, its something you do to a person. If you did it in reverse, then it is more like a take-away. Like when a girl starts grinding against your crotch and you pull her in tight for a second and then push her away and say, "Alright, get off of me! You're too forward "

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

HB: "Take off your shirt"
PUA: *point to her girlfriend* "you kiss her first, then you get to see under my shirt."


as the other poster mentioned: when they ask you to jump through a hoop, switch it on them and give them a bigger hoop.