Reading through the Mystery method guide and reading about other techniques, I have been wondering, we do put a lot of thought into creating attraction, comfort, sexual tension etc., just to get laid. Which is perfectly understandable, as it is a matter of survival. You would want to mate with the best.

Most of our techniques rely on showing that we have plenty of options, we are the prize to be won. We literally start the game by 'flying under the radar' so to speak (well most of us do anyway). Then we act busy, challenging, play the jealous games...

Now, I am sure girls have their own games and techniques too, their little shit tests, ASD, their mind games. If you notice these games, they are not so different to ours. I mean they act busy, they have plenty of options, ignore our texts, don't call or reply to us for days.

So, it is almost like a stalemate. Both parties are busy playing games with each other to create attraction. But as soon as we show interest we get done. Well I do most of the time. So, then I am forced to pull back, go back to ignoring, finding other options, to re-create the attraction/interest.

What are your guys thoughts?

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I disagree

I let the girls play the games. I laugh at them and just lead the way knowing their following my lead. If you try to play their game you can only get as far as they allow you. Be a man, dont act like another girl.

Be confident, take things to the next level. Dont sit around waiting for them to make a move. Women want to be lead by their men. Not followed. Sometimes you have to call a girl 3 times back to back to show her your serious and you have a emotions to. Being all emotionless(idc blah blah blah) will land u in the gutter everytime.

Flying in under radar is Indirect gaming I'm assuming.

Other types of Direct gaming also work. And it just involves going straight into it. So its not a game, your actually conveying your intention of engaging in sexual intercourse in the coming hours.

Direct ftw

Very interesting. But where do you guys draw the line in not appearing desperate in a direct approach and not giving a fvck about their games?

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Absolutely right.

As for "not appearing desperate," I think it's MORE desperate to pretend you're not hitting on a girl for 30 minutes until you're absolutely sure she definitely likes you, and then hit on her so you can be sure you definitely won't get rejected.

The power and impact of a direct approach is precisely the fact that you set yourself up for the possibility of instant "rejection" within a few seconds. That shows a lot of confidence, which has the consequence of making it LESS likely that you will be rejected in the first place. The frame to come from is that of "I choose YOU."

It's the difference between a compliment said by a guy who's trying to suck up to a higher-up in the hopes of landing a job promotion "hello, sir, excuse me, but, um, if I do say so, your suit is very very nice sir, yes, what a lovely tie to match it as well sir..." etc. (the assumption here is of low value, and it feels forced, grovelling and deeply unattractive)

and, the compliment given from a position of higher value to someone lower "hey man, cool suit - I like what you've done with the tie too, looks great."

If you go up to a girl and act apologetic or unsure of yourself, then you will come across as desperate. If you come over and simply deliver a sincere and honest compliment, without a care in the world as to whether she accepts it or not, then chances are she'll be very impressed at your upfront, honest and confident manner, at the very least.

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Ryans " I choose you" frame is a great one to go by.

When i see a girl i take on the "she looks interesting. i wonder what she has that she can contribute to my life".. Then i go find out.

The line of desperation comes along with how you feel. Some guys feel all needy like " OMG i have to talk to this girl/ i wonder what she doing/ an so on" so when they talk to the girl this can all be detected. Im doing it from a centered " just because i want to" position. Knowing i have plenty of other options.

I know theirs this theory of " being the prize" which is a good theory for the begining stages of seduction. However eventually the girl will pull back and its will be your turn to chase or else she'll be gone for the next guy offering her more attention.

It should be Retreat Chase, Retreat retreat Chase, Retreat chase

keep the energy pumping. If you know you cant catch the person your playing Tag with enventually your gonna quit.

Fantastic replies. Would you guys be kind enough to provide links to some new reading material which would refer to what you have said so far? Really keen to look it up in more detail. Thankyou

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ASD , shit tests ... they aren't techniques , the woman is unconcious of this, it is hardwired into them.

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Could be your problem is you're trying instead of doing and viewing it all as a game in the first place. If you're playing games what do you think you're going to get in return?

Exactly.

As far as women doing things the pua is doing, I think it is the other way around and certain things were co-opted from women when the pick up systems were being built.

You're probably talking about showing too much interest as opposed to showing interest, but when you truly go indirect and then suddenly flip things on her it comes out of left field and screws with your seduction efforts. Everything should be a smooth transition. You'll know when you have got it figured out when she's chasing you.

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Thanx for the links guys. Now, what would be classified as too much interest? Asking her out once a week? Texting once every couple of days?

The problem I am having is that I get the girls interested, but then I struggle with building comfort and getting them out on dates...

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Try making them qualify themselves more to you on the initial approach. Doing that will make them more invested in you and working more for your interest, so they'll be more likely to want to see you the next time.

Also, make sure your first text is just random and funny. You don't want every message she gets to you to just be a boring invite, otherwise you're just taking and taking the whole time.

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I agree with Fuze. There is a difference between "acting" a certain way, and actually growing as a person to "be" a certain way.

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