Hey guys

It seems to me that every club or bar in my area (philly) is obnoxiously loud, i can barely hear myself think, let alone hold even a mini convo with my friends.

I see all these sets available just waiting to be opened, and i know there are ways to open without much/any talking...but how can you progress threw all the stages without talking?!??!

It got to the point tonight were i didnt bother opening because it seemed pointless. I coulda went with the rockstar/pimp opener (ie look over, adjust something, give thumbs up...) or the variation of the above, shake head, remove lint...so on and so forth...however what then, how can u DHV/neg, time constraint or anything else when noone can hear you?

Im not even talking about a place were its loud in some areas, im talking about a place were you have to leave to hear anything.

Ive found that regular public places are better for sargeing, night clubs and loud bars seem to intimidate me or something.

Really need help, should i just avoid these places and try to find different types of clubs/bars or am i just missing something?

There are ways to lean in and not DLV yourself.

Just tilt forward, say what you are going to say, then return to your
upright body language. Then, have her lean in when she wants to say
something. It's when the leaning becomes a constant part of your
natural body language is when it gets you in trouble.

I see it as an opportunity to be able to say stuff directly into a
woman's ear...for her to feel your warm breath on her neck. It
has a sense of comfort building built in as well.

Granted, you stand a chance of isolating your target too soon, but
just follow the rules and use that same techique to open the
obstacles first.

Use it to your advantage as well. For example, lean in to the friend,
say something, then point and laugh at the target. She'll wonder
what in the hell you just said.

Take your weaknesses and turn them into your strengths.

For every excuse you make, I can probably find a positive way around it.

P.S.

Also, get into the club earlier, say around 9 or 10. It's usually quieter
as things are just getting warmed up...plus, you'd be surprised at the
quality of women you'll find that early on.

Do you mean if you are constantly leaning towards the people(never lean out)
Or do you mean, leaning in over and over alot of times?

How to avoid lean in then if you want something to say to a group? I guess the trick must somehow having them leaning in more to you ... but how ..

I understand what your saying. I guess to put the noise level into perspective...when i was trying to tell my friend something (i have all my friends do the pecking) i had his ear to my mouth and was yelling almost as loud as i could for him to hear me...in the quitest place there. Im saying that the bars/clubs in my area seem to be so loud that my brain rattles.

I definatly agree i should go way earlier, my friends are always way late, so i may start just goin down alone and meet up with them later.

You know it's just that i have been reading all these routines and openers and such and i think it'd take away from it if i had to scream it into 1 girls ear 4 times for her to get it.

Am i better off goin to different places to sarge or am i missing something?

Also is it ever worth opening sets with many more dudes then women?

thx guys