There has been a debate that men who choose women only on their looks and not their personality are low value and in some sense desperate. So are women who only choose men who are attractive low value in some level?

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I assure you that you will hardly find any woman that will choose a guy purely on his looks. if you do let me know

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Well this is coming from experience. I have a cousin that's good looking (amateur model) and there are loads of attractive girls that are fighting for him as soon as he goes single. I wouldn't even say he has solid game.

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Look man, women don't choose men on anything other than BEING A MAN. That's it.

That's an interesting point your raise there. There is no right or wrong answer, but here's my interpretation on it:
- Picture this scenario. There's a new guy in school. He's damn attractive, single, and a nice dresser. (no homo) All the girls want to date this guy. Correct? They know he won't be single for long, so they want him before another girl gets him. Do they know his personality? Do they want to spend the next few months finding out his hobbies, where he works and all of that bullshit? I doubt it. Because if they do that, the guy might go for someone else. And there's nothing low value about that.

For the sake of an argument, using this scenario, you might refer to this as desperation - stealing the guy before someone else does. You can look at that scenario in 2 ways.

However, in my opinion, you will find that the majority of women prefer to know all of that bullshit I mentioned earlier before they date a guy. Why? Its just what they do.

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I wouldn`t say the woman is low value because she picks pretty boys...Its more of a lack of maturity. Young women and ugly women (or hb6 and below) typically have very immature dating habits, so they are usually the ones who only go after looks.

young women have immature dating habits.

uggos have maladapted dating habits.

practically the same things though in the end...

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I can assure you that you don't routines, openers, PUA BS to get women. There are guys who are naturally good with women.

Your cousin has no game, but he doesn't need it. He is a "natural." He is coming from abundance. Just look observe the way he acts when he is around women.


Looks help. But if you can run proper game, it will win over looks. That being said, you wanna look your best still. Communicate good genes. Work out, Have a cool sense of style, be properly groom.

99% of the guys choose woman primarily because of their looks....

i have NEVER ... NEVER SEEN ANY WOMAN selected men primarily on looks ..

are looks a factor .. YES .. but only 20 % or so ... good looks and a attractive polite smile just helps you at opening.

does it help you when you are picking up the girl ?? NO

look i am a good looking guy even tho im very insecure about my appearance , woman telling me im looking good actually made me feel more insecure....woman did not complimented my personality when i started out picking up chicks.

woman i've met who would be attracted to me and my appearance put me in the friendship zone because i couldn't talk to them .. after 10 minutes i would bail out because i couldn't handle their attraction .. it was too much i felt i couldn't back it up with game - i felt not deserving.

i mean what did i do to attract this chick ? back then i knew my game was novice and new...looks help at a the first impression but nothing more .... yes i did have girls chasing me because some immature girl started rumors about how good i look .. it's all social proof and has nothing to do with your game.

after a while i started giving less about looks .. i started going out with old clothes... didn't groom my hair , sometimes i didn't shower for 5 days and still pulled some ass. Chicks who want guys solely on looks aren't realistic... they will be attracted to you anyway ... it's hardwired in a womans brain.

i had lesbians being attracted to me even tho they are not conciously attracted to men.

i had girls who already had a boyfriend being attracted

i had girls who only would sleep with certain types other than me being attracted to me

attraction isn't a choice .... do you even wonder why chicks are looking at you or giving you proximity IOI ?

yesterday i sat in the train and this chicks 2 seats in front of me kept flirting for about 30 minutes even tho i didn not pay attention to her...eyeballing me and tossing her hair ... after a while she starting putting on more make up. at the trainstation i had a chick walking in my direction who pretended to be busy with her phone... i actually could see she was eyeballing me from the corner of her eyes and she was pressing the same button on her phone over and over...... she even stood next to me. it was a dead end space .. she no reason to go there , i was just sitting there eating my sandwhich.

these woman were attracted on sight .... attraction isn't a choice it just happens - it's a automatic process.

i've seen pretty boys - these dudes are very good looking however their girlfriends were sending me off all these signals. I've also seen prettyboys not hooking up with girls for months... lol

importancy of looks ? .. well maybe 10 or 20 % ... but this only matters when you open a set.

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woa this right here deserves a new thread in itself. That was exactly how I got onesis. Basically an immature girl in college blurted out how fit I look in front of about 8 girls. This was timed so wrong because it was about a week after i'd gotten rejected from my high school crush that I had for years. I was feeling pretty low but somehow I saw this girl as god because she found me attractive and that she could save me from my desperation.
The problem was I had no game therefor throughout the whole year of college she would stare at me and smile but I was too much of a pussy to approach because I had no social skills and zero game, I felt as though I relied on my looks. It's no wonder why I got so insecure and depressed over summer.
So after a very tough period of realizing that looks don't get you women, I joined this forum and since starting day game i've completely changed my life.

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good to hear ..

this post made me think ..

i think everyone who is talking about looks are insecure about his or her looks.
if you have good game you don't want to believe good looks matter.. if you have good looks and shitty game you probably want to believe that good looks matter.

all the guys who are talking about looks ... guys who say that looks don't mean shit and guys who say that looks mean shit - both of them are insecure about it.
i mean if you really are confident or don't give a shit about looks - then why talk about it ?

i think everyone talking about looks is just projecting their insecurity or another psychological issue
this is what i said ... i already told im insecure about looks .. im even talking about it however im not talking like 50 % about looks only..... now i only say looks only matter when you open a set .... 5 or 6 years ago i would believe looks would be the most important thing - envying brad pitt ... lol...

every MPUA which says looks doesn't matter is ''probably'' just having a more advanced insecurity about it ... they are just searching for real life experiences which proves this point .... if you dont't care you wouldn't seek out experience. all looks probably matter to alot of guys - i have seen most guys on this forum who are talking about looks having bad preselection , i mean most people only want hot girls ... they don't care about personality not much or not at all.

we are just being attracted to someone that is having something we don't have ...confidence about their good looks .. i mean look at it ... you only try to get vagina because you don't have vagina yourself. i think your ego is always trying to get things you don't have in your possesion - if you have bad selection criteria like '' good looks - hot blonde 10 '' only ... in this case i think you really are having inner game issues and develop insecurities on a deep psychological level.

attraction does not have anything to do with looks ... concious preselection does , woman who like tall men would still be attracted to short guys if they emit the right traits. if you don't believe something is unimportant then why even care and talk about it ?

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Like said, looks don't matter much!

The point is when u put on your nice clothes u feel automaticly better in it, when im going out i always pick some nice clothes to wear.

If i went out in my old clothes i would not feel as comfortable as i would in my good clothes.

due to me nog feeling comfortable in old clothes my innergame drops automaticly.

So basicly when u know u look good, your will show this confindence off to everyone near you!

Its all about innergame

amen to what amadius just said

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i agree i have gone out dresses in old clothes and smelling like shit after working out... still got results

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