A lot of guys in the community try to say that physical looks don't matter much, yet I've noticed that when the less I weigh, the more IOIs I get. I'm currently about 25lbs over where I was when I found the community a few years ago (mostly from drinking a lot of beer when I go out--a bad habit I'm working on breaking) and I've noticed that women very seldom open me compared to what they used to while also being less likely to open when I approach. Has anyone noticed something similar? I really think that being fat may be the single worst thing a guy can let happen to himself if he wants to get laid.

bro, in a pick up, looks will get u as far as 5 minutes, after that, it doesnt matter anymore.
so a good looking guy, would only have an advantage in the pick up during the first 3 minutes. thats all. if your fat, not good looking, or whatever. all you have to do is work on your game, the looks are minor , and pointless later on in the game.

so , dont let that get you down, work on ur game, thats the deal

I'd say it's a huge attraction killer.

Bright side is you can do something about it.

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When in Doubt, Freeze Her Out.

So after 5 minutes it doesn't matter. The thing is that I don't get 5 minutes from most girls anymore. That's a big problem and I don't see how any amount of game is going to fix it. I approach and I get blown the fuck out or ignored, or the girls get distracted and go running off to jump all over some other guy who's in better shape.

I don't really see other heavy guys do well with women, either. The djs, bouncers, bartenders, and even doormen will have women hanging around them because it can get them places, but the good looking girls don't fuck those guys.

I also don't get girls chasing me anymore like they used to. At one time, I would usually get one or two women a night come up and open me and throw themselves at me. That doesn't happen anymore, either.

So after being on both sides of this, and not even having it dent my confidence until I noticed this pattern emerging over a couple of years, it really seems like this is a bigger deal than the community makes it out to be. I can deny this all I want, but I've had several girls flat out tell me over the years that they won't even consider dating a guy who's even slightly overweight. It seems like the farther I've gotten from the ideal "ottermode" body, the more my pool of potential women has shrank.

You are doing what exactly sitting here? Go run a mile.
You can solve this as a numbers game and getting totally slick game.

Or you can bust your ass and add REAL value. Part of the reason women value hot bodies is because they are hot. But another part of it is because they show that you have willpower.

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When in Doubt, Freeze Her Out.

Having a bit of baby fat isn't going to kill your chances. But if you and Michael Moore have similar chin sizes then I suggest you start running and going on a diet. I lost a lot of weight in the past two years and I can admit that when I was fat it was a major killer. I'm still chubby but girls have dramatically opened up to me.

In my opinion being a bit chubby doesn't hurt you at all, but being super fat is a mega killer, just saying.

Sincerely,

Gaius

MaxSeduction,
first of all, yoru example about the chick telling you that she would never date an over weight guy: well, since when girls date what they already had in mind. ive dated HB that would never look into a blond/ blue eyes guys, and yet they dated me. women always talks about the things they want in a guy, most of the times they will be with guys that dont have these featured that they ALWAYS talked about. i hoope you know what im talkin about.

now that this point you were talkin about is not longer debatable,
why cant you get a FIVE MINUTES out of a set or a girl. there are couple of reasons for anyone not to get a 5 minutes, either your opening in a needy/stalker/looking for something/ showing interest way or your body language lacks a loott of confidence and alfa male features.
if your not geting a 5 minutes, then its surely one of those. because if ANYONE approaches a set with a random opener (opinion or fact or anything) why would they blow him off ? if he's in a RIGHT mood , he was seen already laughing and enjoying himself with friends. why would a girl blow him off if he is asking for her opinion on something ? he's smiling/ not showing interest AT ALL, he's just randomly asking an opinion from the whole group.
no one would do that unless they are TOO unsociable or they that they have this super strong bitch shield. which has a different technique to get rid of. im talkin here about 10s, so let go of those FOR THE MOMENT, master your game with 6es 7es and then make ur way up there.

what type of girls are you looking for Max?if you are shooting for 10s and you are a 4-5 don't expect results. Game may help but when reaching for a 10 its a great combination of things.

I am 240lbs 5'10 slowly going down heading to the gym trimming/toning but I also know enough game to get by in situations. I am a great story teller having been on many adventures, I am told that I dress well I get compliments on my clothes/style. But i have no illusions thinking i will get with a perfect 10 unless my target or myself are very drunk lol.

Have i pulled girls that may have been out of my league? i definitely have! but nothing TOO over the top. Like i said I keep myself well dressed, groomed properly and know how to talk to women. I feel a combination of those skills can get you women that are slightly out of your level but expecting a girl that is high on the scale to hook up with you is just being unrealistic.

It's my opinion that 9's and 10's are easier if your game is tight. They are usually perfectionists with lower self-esteem. I've had 6's and 7's put up way more resistance. Those are the one's that think, "I'm all that!", but aren't much to look at. It's pre-conditioning that makes us think that we'll never get those model types.

Never think any of them are out of your league.

i was saying it more from an outside perspective, that i've gotten with girls that seem "out of my league" thanks to my game. I agree the hotter girls tend to be more insecure but i rather a good 6-7 on most days. They are usually more adventurous in bed.

Also true in my experience.

the thing is that afc men who are in really good shape will still date fat chicks.

it doesn't work the other way around, BECAUSE women know that:

"afc men who are in really good shape will still date fat chicks".

doesn't bode well for the bigger guys getting any action.

i've dropped 75 pounds of fat in three years and put on 25 pounds of muscle.

i get waaaaaay more attention than i ever did before.

the thing is i am 6'4 with a huge frame. so, that "75 pounds" didn't make me look all that much bigger...

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what dr. house brings to medicine, i bring to everyday life (an extreme dose of cynicism), don't listen to the curmudgeon!

I agree Mack but i would also throw in girls that look good that are also insecure or have other emotional problems tend to sell themselves short.

Looks do matter to an extent.
People say looks don't matter to make you feel better and motivate you to try anyways.

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Sinceriously,
Serj

I agree. I think it's downplayed too much.

I have a friend that's a fitness model. He's an Abercrombie model, been on several covers of Men's Health, and had numerous roles in major Hollywood movies. I'm sure you've seen him, but I don't want to say his name. I went to Cabo with him and a group of people one weekend, and I kid you not he fucked 6 girls before 3 PM in one day. He would take one up to his room then come back down to the pool and grab another. It was like there was a line waiting for him. My old roommate lived with him for awhile too. One day on his way home in LA on the 405 in gridlock somehow he made the sparks fly in traffic. He motioned to a girl to pull off and he fucked her in the back of his truck and sent her on her way.

He's hard to even talk to because he's so narcissistic, but my point is looks do get you places.