This question is about my night game. I go out clubbing/raving maybe every other weekend, and I've yet to even k-close or n-close, it's been like my fourth time out.

It's usually hit or miss if I even get any female attention. Usually I get there three hours or so after it opens, so I show up at midnight or so. When I get there the dance floor is just jam packed, you can't get in the center or towards the stage. And the outskirts of it are flooded with a bunch of guys, guys that are dancing with girls already, and occasionally the lone/paired off average looking girls. All the hot girls are already being danced/chatted up by another guy.

I go outside to the smoking area and it's the same deal. Groups of guys, or groups of like 3 guys 2-3 girls, and then you got your occasional HB group that has like 3-4 hot girls that are sticking to themselves.

Should I show up earlier? I'm thinking most people pair off early in the night and by the time I show up most girls are already being hit on by someone else. Most every girl in there already has a guy with them, or like I said earlier bigger groups of hot girls, like 5 of them together (too intimidated to go up to them), or the sole/pair average chicks.

Or should I just jump into a group where there's 3 guys and some girls and join the conversations? There's never a girl alone that's hot..I guess that's to be expected.

The only luck I get is when the dance floor isn't so full of just dudes, and I show off my dance skills next to some girls and I get to dance/grind with them for a bit, but that's as far as I've gotten and it's usually hit or miss if that happens, depending on how many guys there are at the club that night.

Any advice? I feel like there were a lot of guys there tonight, more so than girls, but I wonder if I'm just finding lame ass excuses to justify my lack of game. Any advice would be great thanks

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