Hi all, wana keep this short so here goes:

I met a girl, its been great for the past 2 weeks, ive done great in the game, passed almost all shit tests and i dont really get any of them any more.. she has attraction because i act like the leader and she has comfort because we sleep together and she is topless and she is ok with me touching her everywhere..BUT!!.. no sex yet

she knows I like her and I know she likes me, we've been out 5-6 times so far, i've slept over her place 3 times, we made out only once. The rest of the times when I try to kiss her she just tucks in bed and smiles.. i kiss her on the neck/back/ears , touch her all over and the legs and the boobs but she just freezes in one place...and it's still not enough for her to 'click' and do it.

In brief: she knows she can get sex at any time and she abuses that.

We have a lot of fun together and its not just physical, its actually relationship material

I dont want to push it and seem needy but i dont want to take too long as well and end up a "convenient male friend with no benefits"

u know what I mean? i have to turn the tables and make things go by my rules, not when she decides

Any advice?

NO! You have to push it. If she says, "Ok we're gonna sleep together but we're not gonna do anything." Then say, "We're adults, I think we can handle ourselves."

Stop giving a shit about YOURSELF and focus on HER. You are the man here, you're supposed to be seducing her. She freezes all in one place after touching her neck and boobs and all because she's basically saying, "None of those work, you have to start playing with my pussy." So go for the pussy and clit, she won't stay there frozen after that, trust me. And when you start playing with it, tease it too. And then after a few minutes, take your junk out. If she doesn't get it, take her hand and put it on your cock. You gotta keep pushing and trying.

Key here is to not TALK or react to any of her rejections. Don't get sad, mad, confused, angry, or anything. Just go at it like you're horny. And before you two get into bed, try picking her up and walking her up to her room while carrying her. Then try going caveman and take her clothes off slowly. If she says no here, then you have to stop.

she just lies in bed and doesnt move, doesnt make the slightest effort, i touch her chin to kiss her but she doesnt move, and just smiles... as if she is thinking "haha I so own that guy, hes totally into me and i enjoy the attention without doing anything" .. also pulls my hand away from her pussy.

her body language and mood say she likes it and wants it but it starts to annoy me. i feel bad when its her choice and this lowers my value in her eyes

Okay, I'm still a n00b to picking up women, but from what I can tell, the main thing is that you need to remain in control and let her know it. I don't think you should push her to do things she doesn't want to do, but if she's just being manipulative, ignore it start paying attention to something else. Act like she completely bores you and do something entertaining, play a video game or something and see what she does.

Ok if you can't touch her pussy, then you have to start going at it your own way as if you're creeping her out.

To do that, you first have to take your cock out. See what happens. If nothing happens, grab her hand and put it on your cock. If she takes it off, do it again and say, "You look pretty.." Never ask her "What's wrong" or anything. Keep it seductive. She's messing with you..so you mess with her back. If that still doesn't work and it still looks like she's messing with you, then it's time to get even more aggressive. Tug her hair while massaging her tits or something. Grab her and gaze at her and command her to turn around..slap her ass. She's too comfortable lol, you gotta do some crazier shit to her. Who the fuck knows, maybe that's what she wants from you, try it out. Maybe she wants to be your slave but doesn't want to tell you.

And man, don't take it as if she thinks she owns you. She don't own shit. You're just not aggressive enough for her to really reject you..or possibly get you where you want to be.

OKAY, so she stays tucked in after you touch her and shit. Stick your hands underneath and lift her whole body up! Go at it man, get aggressive. But be careful, if she says stop here, you stop. Don't let her get comfortable man, drive her crazy. Pull the covers off, push the mattress off, do something. And if she finally starts to talk and ask why and all that, just say, "I just feel like fucking you hard now." If she says, "Well you can't." Then get closer to her to escalate and say, "But you're pretty." Dirty talk her but don't do it excessively.

And last but not least if everything else fails, just jack off to her, next to her. If she's like, "Why are you doing that?" Just say, "Because you won't give me a hand."

any other thoughts on this situation? please

Yeah ive been here before. Some women just want cuddle buddies, It doesnt happen THAT often but I have seen it, im sure others can vouch for it.

if you become a cuddle buddy, she will deny you sex but will love the attention in bed and sleeping with you, etc. Its a perfect storm of, she doesnt quite like you THAT much, but her standards have been lowered recently, and she sort of likes you so she uses you for attention without giving you sex, because youre her current best option, maybe she has been lonely lately as well.

The indirect option is You have to cut her off, stop talking to her, try to ignore her. when she does text you or contact you, tell her youre busy and cant hang out. you can try to make her jealous this way and make her suspect you might have another woman.

The direct option is to tell her you cant continue this relationship unless shes willing to get physical. you can mention blue balls if you want to.

best option is indirect, limit contact with her and try to force her hand this way

That actually sounds quite right. She si hb8+ and im sure she gets approached a lot although she acts shy and inexperienced.
she IS lonely, she is a postgraduate student so she gets assignments almost every week, she has almost no friends here and she has actually told me she is lonely. I thought that was a sure win , i wouldnt have to compete with her girl friends and other guys and i would get all the attention.. but it seems it went wrong

Guess i'll freeze her and if she doesnt call then it wouldnt have worked anyway

thanks a lot mate, never thought of that option and its probably right

too bad its over i was so happy and had high hopes

The indirect option is You have to cut her off, stop talking to her, try to ignore her. when she does text you or contact you, tell her youre busy and cant hang out. you can try to make her jealous this way and make her suspect you might have another woman.

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- I agree with going the indirect method. Dont push it, because then you may seem needy. Ignore her, and let her come to you.