It's all bullshit. If we go to a girl and say something perverted, we'd get called a creeper. But if a hot girl came to us and said, "I'd suck that dick" we'd find a place and time. You all have to understand that girls/women are wired to think they are the innocent ones.

Being called a creeper, actually means they're starting to feel seduced..they want to decrease that sexual tension by getting you to run off or vice versa. When you tell a girl something perverted that you'd do to her, it doesn't literally scare her. Remember, girls are as horny/more than we are, they love nasty shit like we do.

I've had many times where I've been called a creeper and whatnot. I've seen many guys get called creepers too. Those making a big deal out of it by taking it seriously end up failing. But those that ignore it and move in closer actually make it.

I agree and disagree at the same time...

I would like to start by saying that I agree with your statement in regards to token resistence that there is a point where women are calling you a "creeper" just to see how you handle that little test. Also, there are times where they are just doing it to flirt back a little bit, because as you said they are socially uncomfortable.

With that being said, there are some just flat creepy guys out there that are "Creepers." They are the guys hovering over girls, standing way to close when the open, saying weird stuff to women, etc.

Ideally, I'd like to think most of you guys can tell by the womans tone of voice which one it is.

Good Post! You are making a good point here about token resistence and you almost make a good point here about the fact it's okay to be sexual, and girls have similar if not more erotic thoughts than men. For those that really want to get a good idea of just how bad women can think, I highly recommend the book My Secret Garden. It's a collection of erotic fantasies all submitted by women to the author anonymously on Craigslist I think.

If a girl calls you a creeper, you're probably a creeper and pressing on will just make things worse. HTH

The guys you're referring to being creepy in a bad way towards girls is because they aren't being genuine about it. They're joking about it, and they're not being sweet/honest at the same time.

My point is, there's a difference. It's not ok to say, "You look pretty so I just want to fuck you with a knife." But it is ok to say, "You're pretty so sometimes I get the feeling of wanting to fuck you."

Can you give an example of a situation and setting where saying this is okay?

Can you also share stories of when you were called a creep and how you dealt with it? I'd appreciate as many details as you can remember, like dialogue and stuff. All for research purposes.

Thanks in advance!

When you notice the vibe is right, direct sextalk will be successful. I tried it several times this week, they always gave me their number.

So basically I just can give you this advice: when she's playful, talking dirty will work.

my gf would strongly disagree. if she calls you a creep, its because you are and you're probably a few seconds away from a punch in the face if you keep talking

I like to step my game up, bypassing verbal sexual assaults, and move directly to physical aggression. lol

"Hey, nice tits!" *HONK HONK*

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most of the time it's just a shit test!

Okay I'm from Germany and there is no such expression in German or anything comparable.
But I know what a shit-test is. And there are two options on how to pass them.

The first one is to completely have cojones and stick to what you're doing and
the second option is to make it look like if she passed your shit-test!
Neil Strauss does it this way by saying RESPECT!
This makes things look like if you shit-tested her and she passed.

That's not the proper way of doing it. That doesn't work because it's just like whistling at a girl as she's passing by. Yes, it's direct and all, but it's in joke-form. She feels like you're trying to make up for some insecurity, you're not real..you're afraid to go and approach her honestly so you instead say, "Hey, nice tits!" which sounds sarcastic and all.

What I'm saying is that when you're seducing, you have to be sexual AND serious at the same time. Not being playful, cocky, or anything..all of those things decrease sexual tension. Now along the way of seduction, you get called a creep.

I was just gazing into a girl's eyes with my head tilted and a smirk as she was talking. I wasn't nodding my head or anything, I was just maintaining a blank face. At one point she said, "..Why are you looking at me like that, you're creepy." My answer was, "It's just that you look pretty when you talk." Then all of a sudden she got excited about that and I moved closer to her.

My friend had a huge oneitis. Nothing worked for him, she wouldn't respond. So I told him to tell her that she's pretty and that he'd fuck her hard and that it's better for them not to talk anymore. For the first time she responded...

Another time was when I was sitting next to a girl and some guy was making fun of her in a jokingly way. I then moved my hand and rubbed her back down and she said, "Ew don't, you're a creep!" I didn't say shit. The next day I sat right next to her in class and said, "Ima sit here with you today." The WHOLE period I was busting kino on her and she was chill about it. The sexual tension was there, yes, but she didn't act mean anymore.

One time a girl asked me, "Why are you looking at my boobs you pervert?" I said, "Because I like how they look along with that pretty face." She couldn't say shit after because I was just being honest and she appeared to be flattered after I said that.

I know what you mean, bro. You gotta be a 100% serious all the time. Like this one time I was in the club and I saw this girl on the dance floor with a short skirt and huge cleavage, so i scurried up behind her, then I got close to her ear, and in the most professional and serious voice I could muster, I said "damn, you got some bitch ass titties!". She jumped and turned her head and stared intensely into my eyes. Then I started grinding on her ass and I think she really liked that, because she went back to her friends to tell them about it, and they all turned and looked at me. I just smirked and nodded at them then I did this really sexual dance while they watched, and they starred the entire time.

I think they were really into me, but unfortunately they left before I had the chance to properly introduce myself.

Yeah see, that was a great opener, it was exactly what you had on your mind at that moment and you were just being honest about it. If she were to freak over it, then I would've said with a serious/honest look, "You just looked pretty so I wanted to come meet you." And then I would leave but after me being all honest and nice about it, chances are she wouldn't let me.

So you are basically telling us to forget about the whole cocky&funny concept? (Which is a HUGE part of PUA)­.

The girl may think you are a good guy and being honest with her... But here's two *small* reasons why I don't agree with you:

1- Did you ever realised that girls dig funny guys? You could go and approach 50 girls by asking them what qualify her ideal man, and I bet at least 50% will tell you he needs to be funny and make her laugh. (The unfortunate truth is that they will often laugh when you *shock* her by being cocky&funny)

2- I'm one of those guys who almost *never* compliment a girl. So even if I think she is gorgeous, I won't be honest and will probably neg her. Why?

To me, PUA is a game. There is you and there is the girl you're hitting on. Did you ever get approached by a girl who said you're look cute or whatever? Well I do, and when that happens, my behavior is different because I KNOW she's interested.

If you basically come up to a girl and tell her you're interested, you give her an advantage. In case you didn't know, girls think a lot! There's always a tons of questions going on in their mind. If she is unsure weither or not you like her, she will mostly think of stuff like "Do he think I'm cute?", "Does my hair looks good", "Do I talk too much, should I let him talk more? Do he thinks I'm boring? Do HE, do HE, do HE?...

If you tell a girl you are interested... She will answer all her questions by "YES he does". Now, she will think about "If SHES likes him or not"... "Do I think he's cute ennough?", "Do I deserve a man who is *better* than him?", "Do I really like him?", Do I, Do I, Do I....

See?

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Um BloodyPenguin, if they were "really into you" they probably wouldn't have left without you...
They were probably staring for all the wrong reasons. You sound super creepy dude.