Would it not be easier on newbies to stop naming stuff and just use common language ? ie
'Opener'- Hi (introduce yourself) duh
'comfort'- current affairs of both parties
'attraction'- im alright because .... your alright because ....
'funny story dhv'- just done this and this chick dug me because

just sayin you gotta understand an unfamiliar conception of meanings before you even start to learn techniques (bit like learnin a foreign language )

make it sound real easy to kick confidence into gear- straight forward- it isn't difficult to talk to strangers- they're just friends you haven't met yet!

There is some major bullshit in this whole seduction community to be honest. I know I'm going to be going off on a tangent here in a second but it is what it is. All these books..all these terms..all this NLP, DHV, DLV alpha male, innergame bullshit, push-pull is just mental masturbation. When I was a newbie I was the same..coming fresh off the boat reading David DeAngelo's book or something and studying my vocabulary very hard. Over the course of a year I've seen so many guys be successful and instances which were so "AFC" which worked out, so opposite of everything I've read that it has astounded me.

um no.

every area of life has its own vernacular.

when you watch baseball, you don't refer to the guy standing by that white thing holding that long thing and swinging at that round thing.

you say, the hitter at home plate is swinging with his bat at the baseball.

vernacular is a good thing.

the impetus is on newbies to learn this shit. just like everything else in life.

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Have you ever thought that when it comes to girls, the very gender we procreate with, that there is no such thing as vernacular? We're starting to compare girls to any normal activity in life. I don't know about you, but my brain is telling me it's not right.

apples and oranges

strawman

and a whole host of other 'irrelevancies'.

EVERYTHING in life has its own vernacular.

it's the way it is.

it's just words.

women have acronyms and all sorts of shit too.

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I do have somewhat of an issue with the words PUA has, the only one that I have the most issues with is onetites. Why can't we use infatuated?

that one bugs me too. only because 9 out of every 10 threads in this forum are "oneitis" threads.

jesus.

enough already!

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I know shit. There enough of those posts to make their own section on the forum.

+1 on the vernacular. People need to have some common terms and common language. Every industry and pursuit has it's own vernacular and lingo.

I had this thought the other day about this subject also. To a natural, all this stuff does seem over complicated and silly and with a lot of silly terms. Go to PUAHATE and see everyone make fun of people in the pua community.

But here's the thing, PUA is for the nonnatural. PUA is for the science nerd that doesn't have a natural ability to read and relate to other people naturally. For the science nerd interpersonal relations are the foriegn language and strange concept.

But if you break it all down into it's constituent parts, give it all it's own specific labels and lingo and then put it into a step-by-step algorythm then it will make a little more sense to him and he will be able to navigate through it using a logical step-by-step method.

Ok here is my opinion

'Opener' - DO NOT USE HI, hi is automatically putting you on a back foot, from stage 1 you have to be the centre of attention to the girl, if you say "Hi" it's like saying "yeah want to be friends", not a good way to start, an opener is something used to break the ice in an inconspicuos way!

'Comfort' - umm yeah not current affairs of both parties, it's building a rapport with the girl you are Picking up, it's getting past her first line of defense and making her say "hmm... I like him!"

'Attraction' - it's not about her attracting you!!! it's about you attracting her with a higher value "Girls want what they can't have" if you put yourself on the block you suggested it's like shooting yourself in the foot!

'Funny Story dhv' - using experiences with Other girls will make you look like a womaniser unless you are very good, you need to make the stories more interesting and not bragging something more like "I went on holiday recently and while I was dancing in this club I felt this hand stroke my butt, I turned around expecting to see some cute girl, but instead saw some biker guy with a bushy mustache smiling at me, I was disgusted! (Remember facial expressions add to the experience)!

well that's my opinion if I'm wrong please let me know.

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