so i went out to some bars alone last night and my goal was one number using an opener-closer, these girls were soo stuck up it wasnt funny, i would try to open them with something that didnt even come close to hitting on them and they would just give that "look" or size me up. i tried winning over the obstacle which kind of worked in a friendly way, but the target wanted nothing to do with me, i tried using negs, and different openers... i just got full on bitches allll night, but again i wasnt even "hitting" on them, i was trying to lower their shield but it deffinately didnt work, this was all in the bar scene not a club scene, iono if that makes a difference but i would appreciate some feed back, critique me please (its all for the better) i used a cuople canned openers, and i even used a few "on the spot" openers, innocent negs adn everything lol, im not complainng just explaining what i tried. i want to go out tonight and try again but i want some advice first... thanks!

nothing to critique.

you haven't told us what exactly you said and what exactly they said (or did).

my bad dude, well i tried opinion openers, just simple teasing if they came up next to me at the bar, i would get politeness or friendlyness, but if i tried to transition or take it ferther they had nothin to do with me, just the look of ur hitting on me like every other guy (when i wasnt) if a girl and or her friend was next to me id try to open them with somethin funny to say or what ever came off the top of my head... and they would smile/or give me the bitch look/ or not look adn just walk away, if i tried to stop a girl that was walkn by they wouldnt even agnowledge me... one opener i tried was getting their opinion on if "the little mermaids" hair was orange or red? some laughed adn walked away, or asked "why are you asking me that" lol i tried a couple others by i dont remember exactly, most of them were on the spot ones... but they all had no interest and wakled away or just ignored me... hope that helps!

Pick Up is Hard, Congrats on your 1st night out, it only gets better. If you can find a wing with some good game, it will improve your game so much quicker.


Right now, just work on body language and delivery for the routines. Also, while not sarging, work on your style, this is really important. You don't need to "peacock" but it helps to have a cool sense of style,.

you might of negged or teased a little too hard.

Its your first night out, so remember every interaction that screws up is your fault.

Learn and adapt

When you teased did you us the push/pull technique?

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that's the problem right there. you don't even accept your own frame.

you can't have it both ways.

you can't be out to both "pick up" and "not pick up" girls simultaneously.

you can't hide behind the "i wasn't trying to pick you up" mentality, when you were.

you ARE there to pick them up. you AREN'T there to make smalltalk or casual "friendly" conversation, are you?

CONGRATULATIONS that they noticed. it means they saw you as a man, not a boy. they noticed your sexual energy.

girls do not like the guys who pretend to just "act friendly" in order to hook up with them. i mean, they really hate it. they like the guy who has the balls to actually come right out and hit on them.

you said above "they thought i was hitting on them, BUT I WASN'T" - um, yes, you were. remember? you were out to pick up girls?

i'd say you did pretty damn good for your first night out, as these women picked up on your sexual energy and reacted to it, but they all reacted the same way, hmm? could it be something with your technique? i'm guessing so. i would NOT take it personal, i would learn from it if i were you and tweak your method.

the thing that threw a red flag to me was the comment that i quoted. that is a problem. you can't go in half way when you are picking chicks up. they smell this as a lack of commitment to the process (aka - lack of confidence). if you aren't confident enough to admit you are trying to pick them up, because of your fear of failure, they will smell this a mile away.

aight cool guys i appreciate the feed back, so basically its trial and error? till i find something that starts working right?

I've got LOTS to learn, but even I had the exact same reaction when I read that line.

You say you're not trying to pick them up, but you're doing to them the things that guys do who ARE trying to pick them up.. And since you're just practicing with apparently no real intention of follow through.. Well it probably just looks so obvious to the women, and perhaps kinda lame.. Just MHO..

I don't mean it as a neg or attack against the OP, just sharing my perspective for the opportunity for all of us to grow!

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Take the advice you've been given, think about it then apply it. You're one step ahead of most the people that troll the internet, you went out on your own to pick up women. How many other guys do you know had the balls to do that? Not that many if you ask me. Don't let your first attempt of sarging on your own in a bar bring you down. Embrace what happened, you got rejected, did it kill you? No. Did it sting for a little? Fucking right it did. Did it stop you from being able to go back out and try again? Fuck no it didn't. Will you go out to bars again and sarge on your own? Fuck yeah you will and why? Because it's how you improve, can't get better sitting in front of a computer so get back out there and go get some ass, even if it means getting rejected 100 times!

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I must say I respect taht you went alone to pubs to game.

Don't be too harsch on yourself, you DID approach girls, You DID practise PUA-skills. Good stuff!

I am an amateur PUA myself, my field experience is limited, so I hope I can give you some useful tips:

- Try to go to pubs wing a wingman;
- Instead of immediately open girls, try to be the most social guy in the venue (small talks with everone/girls/guys/bar people). Then people will notice you
- First opener, than routine. If it feels right, then a neg.
- If you opened several sets, and it was not succesful, i suggest to move to another pub. People will noticed you opening sets without success, DLV.

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...that is EXACTLY what I thought when I read the post....we will disagree one of these days, Mack!lol But not yet!

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Fair play for going out on your own.
I find it very hard to do it so I dont go out anymore on my own.

DJ Fuji said that what you say (your verbals) is 7% of communication. The other 93% is how you say it.
Try improving your body language, execution etc.

Maybe girls saw you just sitting by the bar by yourself and maybe you were DLV.

If you had a wing it would be easier.

Or maybe you went with the wrong attitude. If in your mind the whole time was "get the number must get her phone number" - maybe that was coming across in your approaches and girls sensed the neediness.

But anyway Im not here to put you down or anything. Respect to you for going out trying. Keep it up.