Hello,

I have problem with opening because in every night club music is so DAMN loud that I can't speak normal and everybody dance in groups.
When I go to open I need to lean-in and It's very hard to hear someone and It's very hard to walk to WC or out of Club.
In club It's very tight and only way to open successfully is trough body language.
What do you think of that? Do you have some other idea to open,some tips?

I've been killing it with this.

Hand on neck and very close...

"I wrote this song... I don't remember it being this loud though"

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You can't forget about me, stupid. Everywhere I go ima have my own theme music.

Not sure if I would go for hand on neck on opener, but then again I've never tried it. Next time I go out I'm gonna try that... see if she freaks. It might be another limiting belief

I always open with my hand on her waist... god I love the waist.... this way you can't lean in, you're already next to her ear when you're talking.

I always used to open with my hand on her shoulder until a natural friend of mine said: "dude, the shoulder is for pussies"

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An approach a day keeps the guru away.

I hate trying to talk on a loud club. I prefer to go on the dancefloor to pick up chicks. Body language is the key of course.

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Sorry for my english mistakes.

Hey, I don't know you but I can tell you have real life experience under your belt. When I started out learning Pick-Up, I went to clubs to meet women because that is where everyone said to go. However much like yourself, I could never and still can't figure out how are you supposed to talk to a girl when the music is blaring.

The only chicks I could talk to were smokers on the patio or open area--not really my preference.

So instead of going to clubs, I go to wine-bars, bars and lounges. Generally there is some music, but it is not blaring so you can easily talk with women.

Change venue, that is my solution.

I used to do microescalation starting at the back. If it's quiet I still do. For some reason the loudness seems to make chicks comfortable with the neck. It saves time and I think it gives them just a tiny "eek", just enough to raise the pulse.

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You can't forget about me, stupid. Everywhere I go ima have my own theme music.

Go up to the DJ and shout to him "excuse me, I'm trying to talk to this hot girl on the dancefloor, do you mind if you turn the music down?", No seriously, this is not even a PUA related question. Would you conversate with your friends on the dancefloor in loud venues? one thing a lot of people forget is the enviorenment of gaming...if you can't communicate, find a place you can communicate. in clubs, smoking areas are the best. meet there, you can't initiate contact in the dancefloor to move them to the smoking area! on the dance floor just rely on your energy level, dancing skills, your popularity in that place and looks matter more here (in that order).

Just this friday, I was at a club on the dancefloor with 2 guy friends. The minute they played this song we all loved, I danced to it passionately and raised my energy level slightly. 2 minutes in, the girls around me we're all observing me and I ignored most of them, because I would quickly look and if she keeps eye contact I would sing along the song facing her and then grab her hand and dance with her if she's on it, but it didn't happen that night. you can see how quickly, just with one song you like, you can make yourself the attention, when people watch you its a massive DHV. Forget communicating in loud venues, its annoying to ask a girl to repeat herself over and over because you can't hear her, for her, and even more for yourself

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Practical reply- Use your chest voice and buy some ear-plugs. The latter might be counter-intuitive but I find it much easier to hear people talking when I'm wearing mine.

Tried this the other day, and you're right, the neck works for some reason.... was just a limiting belief I had that you couldn't go straight for the neck. Thanks.

Gonna go grab me some necks from now on!


btw, you can talk in loud venues... you've just got to get really close, really fast. But don't go into any "DHV" story or whatever. Just say small stuff: "Hi, you look amazing, I had to come meet you. my name is Coldman", "You have soft hands", "You smell nice", "So who are we here with tonight?".

And test compliance, spin her, point towards your cheek so she kisses it, pick her up and spin her around.

See if you can move her: "You seem adventurous, is that true? Cool! I love adventurous people. Let's go on an adventure", grab her hand and go. Don't wait for her permission, just start walking.

You can also use:
"I'm thirsty, come keep me company at the bar"
"Let's go smoke"
"Let's go somewhere quiet so we can talk/get to know eachother"
"I wanna show you something cool, it's over here" (If you can't think of anything and she goes: "What's so cool that you wanted to show me?", you can go: "Me!" )

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An approach a day keeps the guru away.

my advice might not seem like much, use eye contact and body language, catch her attention, just enough so she looks for you then move a bit try and get her to follow you to a quieter place to talk and don't forget to smile, confidence is key in these situations.

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Life is for living, so I ain't giving up!