so there's this hb8.5 and she has a pretty wide ass!! big butt man... anyway... i had a major crush on her way back i was very shy and she was about 2-3 years older than me... i wussed out and ran away when she came to visit me after our initial meeting(i was very young btw)

now she's 20/21 and i'm 18 and i still kinda like her... but she's a devout christian... she has a great personality really sweet, fun, interesting and relationship material(most likely won't be having a relationship with her)

now i'm wondering... is it worth it to game her... cause i'd really like to fuck this girl and i know she'd love it too...

now this other one is HB9 20/21 she's kinda naive and she's recently turned muslim... lol... and yeah she's hot nice petite body... she lives upstairs... and her mother messed things up when i started to game her last year because i was fucking her cousin. now i know she likes me should i start gaming her again?

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Yeah totally, religous girls are normally the dirtiest. The last girl I was banging was an Indian Muslim girl who outwardly pretended to be a good girl, really into her community, looked after her grandparents, shit like.

She was utter filth. All she wanted me to do was fuck her dirty, call her my whore, fantasize about me being a married man and her being my slutty secretary I was having an affair with, etc.

She never dressed revealing in public to the point where it pissed me off and I was like "Bitch wear a fucking short skirt for once". But in the bedroom she was the one who bourght the lingerie. I'd leave the room and come back and she'd be under the covers in suspenders and stockings and shit.

lol that sounds totally hot about that indian muslim chick

Yeah totally. The other thing about religous girls is go for the ones from the stricter sects. As they are even diiirtier.

Like if you're gaming Christian girls, then always go for Catholic girls over Protestant girls. If they went to a Catholic girls school you're golden. If she's Italian or Irish you're done.

Likewise if you're gaming some hot slutty middle-eastern goddess or Indian muslim bitch, go for the Shia bitches rather than Sunni ones. Shias are the stricter set, look at Iran for fucks sake, and the women when they cut loose especially in the West are insanley sexual. That London born-Indian girl I described above was one.

I've got a working theory that the stricter the culture, the naturally sluttier the women are, one because they're repressing their desires during the day and so sex is just about fucking for them not love. Secondly the whole reason that strict culture arose historically, was because deep down the women from that ethnicity have really high sex drives and the men and other women instigated it on them as a means of control.

[quote="spiky_boy"]Yeah totally, religous girls are normally the dirtiest. The last girl I was banging was an Indian Muslim girl who outwardly pretended to be a good girl, really into her community, looked after her grandparents, shit like.

She was utter filth. All she wanted me to do was fuck her dirty, call her my whore, fantasize about me being a married man and her being my slutty secretary I was having an affair with, etc.

She never dressed revealing in public to the point where it pissed me off and I was like "Bitch wear a fucking short skirt for once". But in the bedroom she was the one who bourght the lingerie. I'd leave the room and come back and she'd be under the covers in suspenders and stockings and shit.[/quote]

Mind describing how you got her to break her moral code though?

Same way you would any woman. It just meant she had a lot more ASDs, gave a lot more LMR, did a lot of shit testing, needed alot more comfort, isolation, venue bouncing, etc. Bitches are bitches dude..

Like I said add a whole load of pent up sexual frustration and curiosity with no outlet due to fake imposed cultural restrictions she thinks she needs to follow, meant once you're in there, you're golden.

[quote="spiky_boy"]
Same way you would any woman. It just meant she had a lot more ASDs, gave a lot more LMR, did a lot of shit testing, needed alot more comfort, isolation, venue bouncing, etc. Bitches are bitches dude..

Like I said add a whole load of pent up sexual frustration and curiosity with no outlet due to fake imposed cultural restrictions she thinks she needs to follow, meant once you're in there, you're golden.[/quote]

Mind checking your PM?

Hey bro thanks for your PM I'll reply on the main thread to keep this shit in one place and it's probably a useful part of the ongoing analysis.

Met her in a bar/resturant with her friends. Her friends were into me but I focused on her. Entertained and played to the group. Some other girls who's friend I'd fucked years back said I was trouble. She totally kept blowing me off and saying this. I kept smiling and being confident and didn't let it phase me. I used the jealousy plotline by dancing and running game on some other girls who were actually hotter. Number closed with my target at the end of the night.

Chatted to her like for like a month by text, while I had other things going on. Played to vanity and nature, calling her my Princess shit like that. Dropped in lifestyle stuff. It helps I have a good career in finance as her background social-economic status is very high, so that gave her comfort there.

Arranged a date last minute on a Saturday night to keep her on her toes. Took her out for a non-alcoholic drink to a nice cocktail bar in the West End, Match Bar if you're based in this town. Did the usual DHVs, negs, and just busted her balls. Venue bounced to one of the best restaurants in towns, the restaurant in the top of the Tate Modern it has a great view overlooking the river at night. Had friends calling my cell constantly which wasn't planned but gave social assurance.

Chilled it out over dinner and switched to be charming. It was summer so took her for a walk along the river later on. Kino escalated. Tried to kiss but got slapped away. Didn't allow it to phase me and kept kinoing and trying for the kiss, kept getting slapped away. Eventually we got to her car, I'd been giving her compliance tests all night by getting her to drive us around town in her car. She literally just jumped on me in the back and finally made out with me.

She felt guilty as I lived in the other other end of town and had to get the underground back. So she offered me a lift home. I invited her in just to check out my apartment. Luckily I have a great fucking apartment, it's a converted Victorian townhouse. So that did half the work. Kino escalated as soon as we were inside. Made out in the living room. She made it clear she wouldn't go the whole way that night if ever. I didn't let it phase me. I took her to each room in the house to show her around and made sure I got a kiss in each spot in the house as mini-venue bounces.

It was late so persuaded her to stay the night. Made out, escalated all over her body with standard body exploration foreplay techniques. But did not once suggest sex as I was building up trust. Repeated the next morning when we woke up but told her how beautiful she was etc.

Took her up to a romantic part of town called Hampstead for lunch. Picked the venue, showed leadership, etc. Took her for coffee afterwards. Sent her on her way saying she might see me again and playing coy.

Got her back to mine a week later, cooked dinner for her and fucked her. Exactly the same routine you'd use with any woman.

[quote="spiky_boy"]
Hey bro thanks for your PM I'll reply on the main thread to keep this shit in one place and it's probably a useful part of the ongoing analysis.

Met her in a bar/resturant with her friends. Her friends were into me but I focused on her. Entertained and played to the group. Some other girls who's friend I'd fucked years back said I was trouble. She totally kept blowing me off and saying this. I kept smiling and being confident and didn't let it phase me. I used the jealousy plotline by dancing and running game on some other girls who were actually hotter. Number closed with my target at the end of the night.

Chatted to her like for like a month by text, while I had other things going on. Played to vanity and nature, calling her my Princess shit like that. Dropped in lifestyle stuff. It helps I have a good career in finance as her background social-economic status is very high, so that gave her comfort there.

Arranged a date last minute on a Saturday night to keep her on her toes. Took her out for a non-alcoholic drink to a nice cocktail bar in the West End, Match Bar if you're based in this town. Did the usual DHVs, negs, and just busted her balls. Venue bounced to one of the best restaurants in towns, the restaurant in the top of the Tate Modern it has a great view overlooking the river at night. Had friends calling my cell constantly which wasn't planned but gave social assurance.

Chilled it out over dinner and switched to be charming. It was summer so took her for a walk along the river later on. Kino escalated. Tried to kiss but got slapped away. Didn't allow it to phase me and kept kinoing and trying for the kiss, kept getting slapped away. Eventually we got to her car, I'd been giving her compliance tests all night by getting her to drive us around town in her car. She literally just jumped on me in the back and finally made out with me.

She felt guilty as I lived in the other other end of town and had to get the underground back. So she offered me a lift home. I invited her in just to check out my apartment. Luckily I have a great fucking apartment, it's a converted Victorian townhouse. So that did half the work. Kino escalated as soon as we were inside. Made out in the living room. She made it clear she wouldn't go the whole way that night if ever. I didn't let it phase me. I took her to each room in the house to show her around and made sure I got a kiss in each spot in the house as mini-venue bounces.

It was late so persuaded her to stay the night. Made out, escalated all over her body with standard body exploration foreplay techniques. But did not once suggest sex as I was building up trust. Repeated the next morning when we woke up but told her how beautiful she was etc.

Took her up to a romantic part of town called Hampstead for lunch. Picked the venue, showed leadership, etc. Took her for coffee afterwards. Sent her on her way saying she might see me again and playing coy.

Got her back to mine a week later, cooked dinner for her and fucked her. Exactly the same routine you'd use with any woman.[/quote]

Some other question:

1) How long did you keeping fucking her?
2) Was she a virgin?
3) And how did you end it with her? (Its obvious you just didn't have sex with her once.)
4) Why do you suggest gaming the girls from the stricter religions? Sure they maybe dirty, but don't you think its a bit difficult since they probably have a stronger moral code. You obviously wouldn't approach a Muslim women in a full burka lol. There were some religious chicks with morals, but not really uptight. Those who didn't drink and shit and ate kosher meat were not really and wouldn't have sex before marriage, but did. Don't you think these girls would be a bit easier to game?

Thanks for your response.

No problem.

1) A looong time dude.

2) Yes

3) It was mutual. She wanted to get married to someone from her community.

4) Yes I wouldn't go for some muslim women in a fricking burka. But another girl I was banging said she knew girls who wore hijabs, prayed religously, and were fucking stereo-typical black gangstas on the sly..

I think the mistake I've seen friends make with religous girls who they want to fuck, is to start being the nice guy, learn all about their religon and end up friend-zoning themselves. For example one of the diirtiest girls I have ever known is an Indian Hindu girl, she goes away each summer to go on meditation camps and shit in India, dresses conservatively, wears glasses, seems like a really typical good girl.

She's total filth. When on holiday/vacation out snowboarding with friends, she'd get wasted, have one night stands, fuck multiple dudes, be totally out of control to the point where it shocks the English girls in the group.

The mistake guys have made with her is to not be direct, to not escalate quickly, to be scared of her ASDs, and LMRs. They end up reading the Bhagavad Geeta, trying to learn all about her religon, and being all "look what a nice guy I guy I am I'm just like you!", while some other dude she just met who used natural direct game is fucking her on the sly.

Attraction's not a choice as David D says. If you build up attraction because it's illicit, it's naughty, then it makes that attraction have a far stronger sexual element. If you're an Israeli Jewish dude, bang a Lebanese Arab bitch. If you're a WASPy English guy find some Irish Catholic girl. If you're an Indian Hindu guy find some smoking Pakistani bitch to bang. If you look like a ghetto black guy find a really sweet looking upper-middle class white girl to bang, etc. The roleplay possibilities are endless too.

And remember even if you end up wanting to marry the girl. It still all comes down to sex. Regardless if it's just a one night stand or you're really into this girl, don't desexualise yourself just because your perhaps false perception of them is that they are not sexual. Hidden sexuality is usually the strongest bro.

[quote="spiky_boy"]

No problem.

1) A looong time dude.

2) Yes

3) It was mutual. She wanted to get married to someone from her community.

4) Yes I wouldn't go for some muslim women in a fricking burka. But another girl I was banging said she knew girls who wore hijabs, prayed religously, and were fucking stereo-typical black gangstas on the sly..

I think the mistake I've seen friends make with religous girls who they want to fuck, is to start being the nice guy, learn all about their religon and end up friend-zoning themselves. For example one of the diirtiest girls I have ever known is an Indian Hindu girl, she goes away each summer to go on meditation camps and shit in India, dresses conservatively, wears glasses, seems like a really typical good girl.

She's total filth. When on holiday/vacation out snowboarding with friends, she'd get wasted, have one night stands, fuck multiple dudes, be totally out of control to the point where it shocks the English girls in the group.

The mistake guys have made with her is to not be direct, to not escalate quickly, to be scared of her ASDs, and LMRs. They end up reading the Bhagavad Geeta, trying to learn all about her religon, and being all "look what a nice guy I guy I am I'm just like you!", while some other dude she just met who used natural direct game is fucking her on the sly.

Attraction's not a choice as David D says. If you build up attraction because it's illicit, it's naughty, then it makes that attraction have a far stronger sexual element. If you're an Israeli Jewish dude, bang a Lebanese Arab bitch. If you're a WASPy English guy find some Irish Catholic girl. If you're an Indian Hindu guy find some smoking Pakistani bitch to bang. If you look like a ghetto black guy find a really sweet looking upper-middle class white girl to bang, etc. The roleplay possibilities are endless too.

And remember even if you end up wanting to marry the girl. It still all comes down to sex. Regardless if it's just a one night stand or you're really into this girl, don't desexualise yourself just because your perhaps false perception of them is that they are not sexual. Hidden sexuality is usually the strongest bro.[/quote]

Lastly, while you were banging her, were you exclusive with her? Or was it more of a FWB thing where you kept banging other chicks also? If it was the latter, then did she mind or some shit? And if it was a the latter, were you direct to her about it or did you persuade her to agree that it was just for sex with her?

I think I'll stop the interrogation here. Heard that religious chicks do go around banging guys on the sly, but never really could differentiate the ones who would be willing to fuck, and the ones who just wanted some intimacy or some "guy friend" who they could wait with until they got married to have sex with him. Or the ones who would never ever have sex despite being a little bit "modern" so to speak.

And lastly, how were you direct with this girl though? And what do you mean by being direct with girls like these?

Hah! No problem. As far as she knew we were exclusive but there were other women floating around she was aware of to keep her on her toes and the jealousy card in play.

I've had FWB with other religous girls. The first time it was her idea and I actually wound up getting hurt as I was into her; second time another girl started getting feelings and I was just open that I couldn't date her seriously because of her religon and I'd never get into it. As long as I was open and honest she was fine to still fuck me me casually.

By direct I mean, I didn't desexualise myself, made it clear I was a guy who was into women and had been with women. I didn't start getting into their shit and learning all about whatever it was they were into. But I showed respect for their beliefs, like offering non-alcholic drinks to practicing christian and muslim girls. Taking hindu girls to restaurants with a good veggie selection.

I'm naturally a very physical guy who uses alot of subtle kino escalation. I didn't stay hands off. I made it clear I'm a sexual person with experience who doesn't shy away from physical contact. Exactly the same tactics you'd use with any other woman dude..

[quote="spiky_boy"]
Hah! No problem. As far as she knew we were exclusive but there were other women floating around she was aware of to keep her on her toes and the jealousy card in play.

I've had FWB with other religous girls. The first time it was her idea and I actually wound up getting hurt as I was into her; second time another girl started getting feelings and I was just open that I couldn't date her seriously because of her religon and I'd never get into it. As long as I was open and honest she was fine to still fuck me me casually.

By direct I mean, I didn't desexualise myself, made it clear I was a guy who was into women and had been with women. I didn't start getting into their shit and learning all about whatever it was they were into. But I showed respect for their beliefs, like offering non-alcholic drinks to practicing christian and muslim girls. Taking hindu girls to restaurants with a good veggie selection.

I'm naturally a very physical guy who uses alot of subtle kino escalation. I didn't stay hands off. I made it clear I'm a sexual person with experience who doesn't shy away from physical contact. Exactly the same tactics you'd use with any other woman dude..[/quote]

aha. Major thanks on the response btw. Clearly helps to know from someone experienced in the field. This does clear up a lot, because I was thinking that I should take it lightly or slow but its obvious I have to play hard ball if I want it to go anywhere. Anyway, thanks I probably have more questions to ask, but can't think of any right now. Anyway, thanks a lot again.

Anytime dude. It was my pleasure. The main point was there's absolutely no difference between gaming religous girls and gaming any other women. The core seduction techniques we've formalised from Ross Jeffries and David D, are based alot around behavioural psychology and evolutionary biology. David D talks about how he's spent alot of time thinking about how we evolved in monkey troops on the plains of Africa etc. And how those forces are still at play sub-conciously. These things cut across religous and cultural and ethnic boundaries completly.

Combine that with standard techniques we know about via Mystery, like LMR, ASD, kino, venue bouncing, etc; and the fact that usually the religous girl you're gaming lives in a modern Western enviroment where they're susceptible to those; the result is that they are no different to seducing than any other woman..