I used to be a decent PUA (not part of the community), then took a break for marriage for several years, now back in the game. I find I now have a huge blind spot in my game. I have no problem with the "friend zone", and I am an accomplished flirt. But here is a typical experience for me:

By the end of the night, she's sitting in my lap, face forward, grinding me, blowing in my ear. If you could dust a pair of blue jeans, her fingerprints would be all over my crotch. Her face is flushed, she's sweating, she's panting. No other guy in the bar is getting the same SPAM as me. I want this girl home with me. But the only "technique" I know is to simply ask. And the answer is ALWAYS no. I call her later and ask her out. She's always busy. If I see her at the bar again, though, she's back to business on me. It just never goes any further than that. It's happened that way with lots of different girls.

Any ideas?

Sorry for my first post, I thought this was only about one girl.
Try to get her out of the bar first and then try to single her out outside.
I usually wait till her friends leave and then she has an 'excuse' to 'sleep' over.
Also if a girl always says she is bussy just leave her I think she wants to keep you on the hook.

EDIT: Also show that you have other options!

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You shouldn't care about the outcome actually, the more you act indifference about the fact that she's saying "no", they more they will want to get with you.

And you never ask, you make a statement about it. A statement depicts dominance and sexual intent. It also makes you a lot more secure in their eyes and you'll get a lot stronger too.

If you go to my FR section - you can see that I try to use statements as much as possible. It really evolved my game to a newer level.

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Yea man there are two key ways in my book of how to play it but my age range is only currently 19-35 so i dunno about any older.

1. I come up with an excuse for her to come back to my place always relating to something we have talked about. So for example if we have chatted about food ill hit out with;

"God i'm starving all this flirting has worked up quite an appetite (Cheeky Wink) How about we hed back to mine crack open a bottle of wine and ill make us a feast?"

Or if i've been blasting her with film quotes and stuff like that ill be like;

"Im not tired at all all this excitement has got me wide awake (Smile) How about we head back to mine and we can stick a dvd on and ill make some cocktails(Insert appropriate drink)"

Or if we have chatted about me travelling ill already have chatted about pictures and will ask her to come over to mine and check them out, doesn't have to be that night but to see her again would be sweet.

2. Up front personal, no nonsense "I want you back at my place now, i wanted it an hour ago, i wanted it yesterday, and i'm going to want more tomorrow. I just don't know if your up to the challenge?"

The best reply for that i ever got was, "Sure why don't you stop talking,get me back to your place and find out". Turns out i wasn't up to the challange and she ate me alive

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I'm gonna try coming up with an excuse, instead of asking directly for what I want. It seems with some girls, you gotta ask them something that that they don't feel like a slut for saying "yes" to, even though they want the same thing you do. Also, I think there's a cultural difference involved. These girls are Chinese, they can't speak English (I can speak decent Chinese, though). And Chinese culture is a lot harsher on women about sex than US culture is. Yet the girls are just as horny as they are anywhere else.

if this is true, you dont need to close....its has been closed, you just didnt realize it. When a girl is in public and has her hands on your crotch......its on! stop talking, you can only mess it up. just take her hand and find a dark corner or just go straight to your car.

any girl who would deny you more enjoyment after having her hand on your crotch in public is a total tease and you shouldnt deal with her...if she says no, leave her and forget her faster than you can blink.....but i DOUBT this is the case. not many girls would go to this level of teasing without hoping for some added enjoyment.

just remember the game is over at this point----its ON!!! and lead her to water...trust me, she will drink!!
Cheers.

I think you're probably right - the deal WAS closed. I have a pretty god idea where I screwed up. You know how it works -- the more a girl wants you, the more other girls want you. That night, another girl in the bar came right up and sat down next to me, while the first girl was sitting in my lap, and wanted to play. And I was just a little bit to positive about it. I called the first girl the next day, she turned me down, when I saw her again, she told me straight out she was jealous.

Ahh...too much of a good thing can be a disadvantage...

If I had been sober at the time, I would have exercised a bit more self-control, so I think I'll moderate the booze. It screws up my judgment.