Alright, this isn't a situation in particular, just a general one that I run into. Hot chicks. I find them attractive, sure, but I really don't go for a hot chick, because she's hot (I swear! I have no problem writing off a pretty girl if she's not a quality person). Sometimes she's actually quite intelligent and into cool stuff, rather interesting. So here's my problem.

I find hot chicks are 10 times more difficult for me to approach, not because I'm necessarily more afraid of them, it's more that they are harder to approach. Pretty girls get hit on a zillion times a day, so when I talk to them, in their minds there's only a single reason why they think I'm talking to them. It's obvious -to them-. But it isn't always true that every guy is going to chat them up just because they're pretty. Sometimes a level-headed guy sincerely wants to see what they're about because of another quality about them that's attractive.

So yeah, I just find them more difficult to deal with. And I absolutely hate it when they have the attitude of 'omg everyone hits on me and likes me!' stuff. It isn't worth sticking around trying to convince them that it isn't the reason you're talking to them. So I leave.

But yeah, this sucks. The more attractive they are, the more they seem to have been shapen into a snobby person. Not always, but more often than not.

Thoughts?

They are harder to approach because its in your head that they are harder to approach. Hot girls are just as easy to approach as less attractive girls. There is NOTHING that makes them any more harder to approach.
If you approach a girl in a club or in a bar what do you expect they are going to think? Approach them during the day and they be less likely to think that.

They are harder to approach because its in your head that they are harder to approach. Hot girls are just as easy to approach as less attractive girls. There is NOTHING that makes them any more harder to approach.

I agree and disagree with this buddy. They are harder to approach because in his head they are TRUE however more attractive girls are often in bigger sets, which requires better set management and are often harder to keep interested so i would say that "NOTHING" isn't exactly true.

I find that in bar's more attractive women are more open and thus easier to approach so thats where i would start.

You are right by the time an attractive girl is in a club she will be putting up with the AFC's of the place hassling her, and will be in a less open frame. I play a slightly longer game with a woman of that class. Ill make an off hand remark usually a compliment followed by a minor Neg and go to walk off. If she try's to continue the conversation ill move to the set. If she ignores it i keep walking like thats what i meant to do. If i see her later ill say "Sorry i had to get to some friends earlier however..." Then enter set. If she is being a bitch ill Neg her but to a friend that i feel is being more open.

A moment for thought if a girl is being a bitch and you don't feel that is going well you can always eject and enter another set. Use her social value to raise your entry to another set. Enter the new set and act like you just saw her while"You were chatting to your friends."

In the game you always have options there is no such thing as a fixed game plan. Its all about fluidity if you can use a negative as a positive you will get much better

Regards, Saint.

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The major difference is that their game is going to be stronger because they are more experienced. But sides that there are enough variables that i can say that it's not any harder. Besides their game being stronger, yours is weaker because your intimidated but hot women. The more you talk to them the easier it gets.

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Dude its pretty simple of course they are more difficult to approach and close, its the challenge that makes them worth chasing at all!

You just need to approach with that mind set. Who wants to play an easy game, you have to work for something to truly appreciate it.

Regards, Saint

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That's certainly true.

Here are your two strategies

1. Go REALLY indirect / under the radar, disqualify, etc. If you can be congruent doing this, it will work. However, you are kinda lying.

2. Make it clear that yes, you ARE hitting on them. By acknowledging this fact, you immediately take away the "you're just trying to get in my pants" line of defence, because you already told them you were! If you do it in a confident, charming way, they'll admire your balls, and then you just have to transition to doing exactly what you said - finding out and showing real interest in who they are as a person.

=> As a side note, I'd point out that, a lot of the time, the 9/10s actually get hit on LESS than the 7/8s simply because they seem so unattainable less guys actually have the balls to try!

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I should probably clarify here. I'm going to admit, yes, pretty girls are a bit harder for 'me' to approach, but it's really not a problem. What I was referring to is that, some of them are just plain AWKWARD. This point has been covered in tons of other threads but hot women seem to be a little more nuts And sometimes when I approach them even for just a casual conversation, they seem off guard and really nervous, so that... throws me off. Some of them just kind of lock up and they don't seem very friendly. I've noticed that there's more of a chance for that with a hot chick, in my experience. I hope that clarifies.

Hey thared33, keep in mind that YOU are creating these situations. You talked about how much the hot girls you see get hit on. But you dont know that to be a fact...you just make it a fact in your mind. Truth be told, I have talked to some very hot girls who say they NEVER get hit on (some guys are too scared to even say hello)....though on the other hand, if they are hot, there is a good chance that they do get hit on quite a lot.
The main thing you need to do is to treat them like anyone else. You need to say to yourself, in your mind, over and over again, that this girl is no different from the rest. Just keep saying that over and over....and start the same way you always do, and with time, you will see that they arent as different as you thought (not all of them). But when you go into a situation 'looking' for ways to find her different -- you will surely find them.
When you go to buy a car and you find a very unique color (ie: hot pink), you think to yourself, "wow ive never seen that color before -- i have to have it." but as soon as you drive the car home, you pass 8 other hot pink cars. Why is that? It is not because 8 other people on that same day happen to buy the color that you decided to buy. Its because our minds "find" what we are focused on. So you just got this new car and you are so focused on the unique color -- that you end up finding all the other cars that have a similar color to yours. Same thing with this "hot girls are different" story that you have created in your mind --- when you have this in your mind, even tucked away, you WILL find it to be true.

If the rest of your game is in order....the only thing you need to do is remember that they are ALL girls and you can have fun talking to any of them no matter what they look like. Hope this helps.
Cheers.