I'm not sure where this question should go but since I'm mostly a noob I guessed this was okay place to put it.

I have a girl that I went out with for a few years on and off and have been friends with even longer I have always liked her and she likes me but I have messed things up bad. I was insecure and needy well lets just say maybe just about everything a AFC could be if he was in a relationship. I have been working on my inner game since the day we really broke it off for good. while I WAS doing it for her and not myself (mistake) Now I now have good enough inner game to do this.


I'm trying to get out of the friend zone and get back to being in a relationship but this time less of me being a bitch and more confidence I'm not going to let her go without a fight. so my plan is to get in under he radar and basically be her friend and and just be a different person than the one she has known. I want to put game on her and turn this bad situation around.

I don't plan on doing this recklessly I want to make sure I know what to do.
so I want to know what you guys think is the best way to accomplish this goal.

don't hold back if you think I'm making more mistakes now or if you need more information.

Hey Little Timmy, It sounds counter-intuitive what you plan to do. Getting in the friend zone is only going to complicate your efforts.

First off, as you know, change for yourself and yourself only. Be stronger and more confident. Believe me, I'm coming out of the same needy thing you are in. I messed it up with a girl but have since strive to improve myself so this shit doesn't affect me as hard as it does.

I say move on...work on yourself and enjoy your future opportunities. If anything comes from this, she'll only want you more.

Thanks for the reply.

I have considered that and It feels like the right thing to do I think I have oneitis sometimes. your also not the first person to tell me that ha.

Ill think about this some more.

Dude. Honestly I'm in the same boat right now. I've had one-itis twice in 6 months. The first chick I attempted to remain friends...didn't work. Deleted her from Facebook to get her out of my life. The second chick took my mind away from the first but I fucked it up by rushing into it and scaring her away. The most valuable lesson from this is to not be too hooked up on it and learn from what you dud (which is why you are on this site). You are better than this! Don't be her slave. Be your own master!

first love is a first love. Once you get yourself into the GAME you will look back at this post and laugh. First things first is building your confidence. I'm not sure how you feel about yourself? But the secret is to learn to love you and then the HB's will follow suit. Maybe you're already a confident person "Little-Timmy" but your name leads me to suspect you are lacking somewhat. Your name on this forum has demonstrated low value (DLV) to me for a start. Get to the gym, put effort in at your workplace/where you study, eat well and look in the mirror and tell yourself you are "THE DOGS BOLLOCKS". If i have got this totally wrong and you're not lacking in confidence then great!!! this makes life so much easier. First things first, you need to get reading the basics thus, there's no better place to start than reading "THE GAME" by Neil Strauss. Get a female friend to take you clothes shopping, dress snappy, get a hair cut and find some good peacock wear. Then get yourself into the field my friend and approach some sets and do us all proud. The HB's are in the clubs waiting for you to go and talk to them. Good luck in getting over the cruel disease of oneitis.

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New to the Game, growing in confidence. Introduced to PUA on a short weekend to see a friend. His friend ultimately changed my life and in a short period of time i have gone from limited to great success out in the field.

@kloak yeah I have always had good instincts but shes the only girl that disarms me and none of my normal effective game works on her. I believe you are right though.

@ horatio20 thats all great advice thanks I don't know if I lack confidence in any major way but I know theres always room for improvement. Maybe I need a better name. I know about the game and I read his book it helped me a lot and I have made so much progress since then.
I will do what you suggestion though.

I'm not sure what I should do about this girl. she could end up holding me back if I keep her in my life but its not an easy decision to make to cut her out. Its like keeping an infected body part around I'm attached and its useful but its always at risk of getting to the rest of me effectively bringing me down.