It has been three months since I discovered allt his PUA, sarging and other jargon and althoough I have had a few positive approaches in that time, nothing beyond mid-game and occaional kino and a part of me wonders if I should just throw in the towel. I know that is depressing for anyone to read and nobody here wants to hear anyone sound so despondent and defeatist.

Today in town I was in quite a number of upmarket stores (mostly women's clothes stores) full of HBs working there and I did attempt idle chit chat that went nowhere. One store had three girls working there including a definate HB10 that I tried to practice game with. I could not resist the urge. I did the old opener of I am just looking for something for female relatives and I just felt so uncomfortable and I am sure it was so obvious my mouth was full of BS. She even asked if I was looking at her nice warm looking jumper because it may have been the one I was looking for. I felt so caught out, in fact looking at her gave me a hard-on. She showed me a range of clothes and seeing the prices of them I could not say much and had to work out a polite way of saying "sorry, cost too much" but not those exact words. I did the old thing of trying to guess where she was from and she was right about my intuition for Eastern Europe but I just knew this was not the time nor place to sarge. At least not yet for a noob on his own. I then went to a few more stores and just, well, fell flat.

Virtually all other approach attempts beforehand (e.g. asking for directions and hoping for a transition) never got anywhere. I could explain more but need to kip right now but I just wanted to know what kind of input you'd give. I will try and explain more tomorrow but I will for the first time try and post a poll and see what you think.

I would pick the one place in your game that is the biggest road block and go from there. Sounds like all the daygame and hired gun stuff has made life hard. Go to a bar where girls are looking for guys anyway. Work try escalating faster than you are comfortable with. if a girl has an objection she will tell you : )

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You can't forget about me, stupid. Everywhere I go ima have my own theme music.

Sorry but bar game is a bit of a waste of time. I have tried it even unintentionally and I chose to go down the daygame path because it sounded like a more interesting alternative. It seems to have worked for some people apparently?

I do both. Daygame is harder (for me and in general as far as I can tell). If you don't like bars (which is not a waste of time if you are good at it) then go to other social events.

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You can't forget about me, stupid. Everywhere I go ima have my own theme music.

I get what you mean but the thing with bars is it is what I have always done by default ever since as far back as I can remember but with the loud music, general noise of others, likely cockblockers and the fact that this is where girls bitch-shields are more likely switched on and they are less open to approach. Daygame has given me some luck and certainly on this forum and others have we generally agreed that the surprise element of not expecting to be stopped or hit on can work. Sort of.

One of the many reasons why I want to get really into daygame is quite simply because I have lost count of the number of times I have been in town and seen a very fit girl and thought "oh yes, I would give anything to talk to her" but never had the nerve but now want to actually make that happen and be able to actually get results from stunning HBs and turn a random girl in town into someone I know. Even if it is just being in the friend zone.

You are putting too much pressure into performing, try day game on some easy targets possibly earlier in the day and work it up to a choice target. This will help build up your confidence with some light practice before you are ready. You may even like some of your practice and walk away with a lesson or a # close. Use this when you finally meet the target of your choice. Think to yourself well i talked to all these other girls earlier today (hopefully # closed), losing one girl isn't going to matter.

I never run intentional day game for me it just happens that I may meet someone at a bus stop or in line at a store. I like for common threads, for example if bus is taking too long, "wow this bus takes forever do you know when it passes by?" pending on tone of answer I just press on the advantage.

Indeed I may have been having an off day. I was at a tube station earlier on and opened a HB6.5 who was wearing a smart business suit and tried to use an excuse of opening about how slow the train was but I just could not transition. She seemed uninterested and maybe I seemed dull. I do not know.

The trouble with hired gun game is becoming too much of a frequent and regular customer. Won't it make them think "oh no, not him again"?