| Here is my opinion because as everyone on here knows, I love a good argument. It's not often that I actually get an appropriate chance to do so on the forums.
It's A SCAM...
Hmmm. no one is forcing you to buy anything. The beauty of capitalism is that things peopple do not find valuable simply disappear. If something doesn't work for you and you buy it anyway it's your fault. If I bought a tampon I don't think anyone would accuse the company of scamming me.
Its not about learning a skill, its about removing your barriers
If someone lives inside one of those shields from star trek and is terrified of the outside then a good way to get him to venture outward is to give him a phaser. If the perceived threat is non-existent then who cares. If the threat is real then you had better try to give him a good phaser. So either way this guys argument is crap. I personally track my PUA closing percentages the same way I do with my sales. I can prove a definite correlation between my PUA skills and a higher closing %.
Encouraging weird, creepy and anti-social behaviour
Who decides what's weird and creepy? Freedom kicks ass. If you wanna dress like a clown then dress like a clown. I think being overly negative and judgmental of others is creepy. I can't believe this guy is encouraging creepy behavior.
Bogus Psychology
While it is true that a lot of the psychology we use is amateur I think it is fitting. Being nervous around girls is hardly schizophrenia. The funny thing is that psychologists define a condition "disrupting your ability to live your life". Exceptions for when you are a threat to yourself or others. If you are a threat to yourself or others then please seek professional help. If you are looking for help please take it wherever it is offered cheapest and only keep what helps you. This guy clearly doesn't realize that academia is pretty much a structure that makes a fortune of convincing everyone that they have sole ownership of the "truth". "truth is found in many places and in many ways. How do scientists prove a theory...(well they don't really because they can't prove causality. They can simply define a correlation) they test and retest. What does this ass tard think we are doing?
Overestimating ‘Game’
This guy is simply not educated in the matter. Perception is reality. Game and presentation are extremely important. Looks are as well, to a lesser degree. Why am I to take his word for anything? Is he an expert? I don't care who these guys claim to be. I use what works for me. If it doesn't work for him then I am glad he isn't using it.
Pseudoscience
Everything is Pseudoscience. We accept a correlation when things have been tested with the scientific method. This leaves out "faith" which is a much more complicated subject all together. Is there garbage out there? Yes. Is there good stuff that is helpful? Yes. Once again he is placing waaaay to much importance on the information that the academic institution has deemed "truth". If you can prove anything to me with 100% certainty then you need to be running the whole show. We don't "know" things. We believe that 1 plus 1 equals 2 because we tested it and it has proven plausible enough to have a positive effect on our daily lives.
PUA = AFC 2.0
Wow this guy is a genius! He actually figured out that PUA is a developmental stage that is used as a tool in our journey to becoming the men we want to be!!! Holy Crap!!! So PUA is AFC 2.0... that sounds like improvement to me. This is the equivalent of me saying. "psssshhh college is just high school 2.0. I mean shouldn't you just go straight for your MD? Or why not just start practicing medicine? That's the goal right?". This guy clearly did not take the time to think through his list... maybe just a way to get some attention?
Trying to be cool is never cool
This section was just full of misdirected assumptions. He must not have studied much of our stuff. We have recognized the try-hard problem and come up with strategies for smoothing this dilemma out for our early game stages.
The biggest thing that bothered me was his mention of "true self". Does he recognize that your "true self" is not a static state? Is your "true self" defined in one particular instant of your life? Does he recognize that he has the ability to become the man he chooses to be? I agree that it is good to be an open and honest person. What if my "true self" is a serial killer?? Is he asserting that people would be happier with me if I just went with it? hmmmm I hope this guy has some stuff for sale. I was wondering how to work on my "thoughtless, reaction based, prick" game.
Human Value and the HB-Scale
Is this guy saying we shouldn't make value assessments of other things. Do you think he has preferences??? WTF! So if I say "she is kind of attractive" that is somehow more demeaning than saying hb6? I could maybe see a point if PUAs were running up to girls and "hey, I noticed you were an hb6, how are you?"
His next thing was just plain dumb. Of course we recognize the need to nurture our young. Most of my game is about showing confidence, control, and caring. Mystery actually has a much, much better handle on this truth than this guy. So he is just unwittingly agreeing with us and making an argument out of it.
The difference between confidence and competence
I clearly have thought about this far more than him. Here in a nut shell is what I have learned. PUAs in the beginning are either seeking validation or pussy. If it is validation you are looking for (like I was) then you need to get it before you make the monumental leap to becoming independent of validation. If you are bad at something and your answer is to stop caring then you are a coward. My favorite example of this is when a teenager is bad at something. "Hey, Joe, I heard you didn't make the team."
"Whatever, basketball is for fags anyway"
I could go on and on about the psychology of this but let's just leave it at "It is better to CHOOSE not to be dependent on some type of validation after you have proven that you could get it if you want."
The Nice Guy misunderstanding
Wow he is once again agreeing with us in a argumentative tone. The type of dick he is talking about is never going to be good at PUA. I think the book The Way of the Superior Man handles this topic much better than this asshole.
The Alpha Male paradox
Does this mean that if I want to be a professor I shouldn't go to school? A big lesson that this guy can learn. I leaned this in Martial Arts first and then heard it again when trying to master the guitar. "Only after you have a thorough mastery of the rules are you able to successfully disregard them." True mastery of anything occurs when you can do whatever and make it work. In regards to being alpha, there are certainly "naturals" out there who are just born Alpha. There are also savants who are born with innate musical ability. If you are anything like most people then you are going to need to learn to emulate alphas the same way pianists learn to emulate savants.
All Girls are the same
I have personally never heard a PUA claim this. I think every single PUA I have ever met said exactly the opposite. Some stuff won't work depending on the girl. So now he is just making shit up. Probably because he still needs a few more things to make it to 15 and all his decent material is used up.
Overcomplicating
A) The people who can already just go and pickup girls and bang them won't ever see a need for PU.
B) Everything can be overcomplicated! PU community is one of the few that recognizes this and strongly warns against over thinking. We see over complication as a problem. This guy is really good at agreeing in an argumentative tone.
Lies and deception
Liars are everywhere. Most of the good material I have found in the community strongly discourages lying. I view PU as the art of treating people the way they want to be treated. I think not trying to do that is pretty shitty. I really liked his last statement and all the proof he offered LOL! I have evidence to the contrary.
Overall I think this guy takes very little personal responsibility for his own behavior and personality. I would guess that he had bad experience with woman, tried PUA, failed because he didn't approach it well, decided it was "bad" rather than admit his own competence, and then finally settled on internally placing himself above PUA to further distance himself form his failure. I am just assuming this because of expressed interest (negative or otherwise) in the topic.
"So, Beyond Pickup Guy, I heard you weren't too successful with PUA."
"Pshhh, that shit is for creepy weirdos. Besides, it's easier just to delude myself into thinking there was never a problem to begin with rather than go through all the work for self improvement. I mean, I am what I am and I am powerless to change that, right?"
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