PUA is all I know.. But the guys that are good with women but have never read a book about it, how do they do it? Are they all "naturals" or do some of them learn by practice too?

Just out of curiosity.

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Naah man, there's milions of AFC's and Naturals out there getting laid due to persistance archetypes, and of course: just getting lucky.

There are certain archetypes that women usually go for:

The Bad Boy
The Nice Guy
The Leader
The Provider

different girls go for different steriotypes, and therefore some men displaying these will have an advantage with certain females. Credit to Adam Lyons, if you are looking for some more info about this check him out at the T21C seminar from 09:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6TGBKaR76c

you can get girls without the game, it's not that hard, if you have some confidence approaching women and persistence, at some point you will find a girl that'll be interested.

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PUA is a lifestyle people follow, they think it's this great thing, it is, but true PUA's, develop their own game and become a developed natural, by adapting and changing things about their self and lives, because things obviously weren't working before.

Some people are already good with things in their life, and have a good mentality that works with women. That's all it is IMO.

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I am in my mid-40s and a recovering AFC from back in the day so I can tell you exactly how girls got guys back before Mystery and Style were even born.


They do it by taking care of themselves by showering and grooming and wearing clean, well fitting clothes that are in good repair. (appearance/natural selection)

Then they try to be decent productive citizens that contribute to society and are respected by other members of the community and have a circle of friends and people that know them. (social proof)

Then they learn a marketable skill, gain knowledge, perform feats of physical skill etc (DHV)

Then they talk to a woman they would like to get to know better (approach)

If she doesn't walk away they flirt with her, tease her a little and lightly touch her (attraction, escalation, kino)

Then talk to her and interact with her (Rapport and comfort building)

If they hit it off, he asks her out on a date (isolation)

As they spend time together and the connection grows the physical proximity get closure, they touch more and the conversation because more personal. (escalation)

The physical contact becomes more intimate, they begin kissing, making out and fondling (seduction and foreplay)

As things heat up she puts on the breaks to slow things down and keep things in perspective and wants to know what his "intentions" are for their relationship and affirms that she is not just a sexual toy but a human being with a wide range of feelings, agendas and life objectives. He comforts her and assures her that he likes her as a person and will protect her privacy, honor and reputation (LMR/ASD)

They get it on (sex)


Yep that is exactly how it has been going on for millions of years. All Mystery, Ross Jeffries, DeAngelo, Gunwitch, 60 YOC did was break it down into stages, created a lingo and gave things catchy little names and put it into book form so the bookworm types could understand it and apply it.

That's how I did it 30 years ago before the internet, cell phones, ebooks, DVDS etc etc. That's how all my friends did it, how my daddy did it, how his daddy before that and his daddy before and so on and so on and so on.

i don't think the question is how do people outside of the pua community pick up girls.

i think the point is that anybody with these skills could easily BANG your girl.

that's the dilemma...

From what I see this is how it goes:

* The ultra nerd AFCs never get laid. They'd rather stay home playing the xbox than going out.
* The more social AFCs get girlfriends by being good looking and getting lucky meeting the girl at the school or job. Then they have sex with these girlfriends.
* Finally, there are the party type AFCs that get drunk and get laid by ugly sluts at parties.
* And there are the rare type "naturals" that are good looking and actually know how to approach (by trial and error) and then get some average girls at parties and social gatherings. But they still have lots of social conditioning inside their minds.

This is the reality at least here. I never yet found a guy with extreme good game able to approach during day time, night time and get laid consistently with HB10s.

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'Does she grab your hand?' F*ck you! I want to grab her mind. If I can
grab her mind, she'll be grabbing whatever I want, any way I want her to." - Ross Jeffries

by being alpha...

Thanks guys, interesting insight.

I remember the very first time I heard about anything like game or strategy for talking to women was in the book "Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman", where the Nobel-prize winning theoretical physicist talks about going to Las Vegas and how a friend told him to stop buying girls drinks and treating them like a prize. This was back in the 70's or 80's, and he was saying how he'd get a group of showgirls and models to follow him around and buy him drinks just by ignoring them.

I find it amazing that men have been doing some of this stuff under different names for years, but nowadays if people find out you've studied game you're immediately labeled a socially awkward loser who can't get women properly, blah blah blah. It's kind of funny in a way.. would you laugh at a guy that goes to the gym? "Haha, you poor weakling you need to go to the gym just to grow some muscle"

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"I'd tell her to go shove her face in the pig pen, and go out and find another one who'll kiss you without askin for the earth. You're bound to find one. You can hardly throw half a brick back in the lands you come from without hittin one."
Stardust