After reading everything on here, I feel as if the wrong message is being sent. There is nothing inherently wrong with being a nice guy. It seems as if people on here are afraid of treating a women with respect and class because they see it as a DLV or some other bullshit. There is a statement that every women wants a bad guy and that is only true to an extent. Honestly, women want to feel beautiful, be complemented, and be treated well overall. The problem with the nice guy thing is it is not a challenge for women therefore women find you less attractive. There are all different types of men out there who are very successful with women. There are the hardcore assholes who treat women like shit, but on the opposite side of that spectrum there are the respectful men who have a silent confidence and the "it" factor that is so hard to describe. These men exude confidence in both their body language and speech and women flock to it. They respond well to all their compliments because women (sometimes) understand the difference between a genuine statement and a lie.

I think men here should worry less about being labeled the nice guy. You have to provide a challenge to the women, this does not mean you treat them horrible. This may be hard to do if you are not very successful with women, but realize that you should be judging them. Care less about what they think of you and women will recognize this. They will see that you are comfortable in your own skin and will be attracted to you. If you are a nerdy world of warcraft player, don't hide that fact. Be PASSIONATE about what you do and that gaming habit will not seem as unattractive as it once did. I don't post here too often but I feel that there is a wealth of information here that is sometimes really difficult to decipher. Some people say do this, other say do that and it all just becomes really confusing.

There is no one perfect thing to say. Some lines work with some personalities while those same lines would crash and burn with other personalities. The main thing is be congruent with who you are. If you are a nice guy, don't try to be a prick because someone said you should be. Carry yourself in a way that shows that you will not accept being treated like shit just because some women was fortunate enough to have good genes. Women are the same as men, they hope to meet someone who will take good care of them. As a person who deserves being treated properly, if those feelings are one sided and not reciprocated then LEAVE.

I understand it may not be easy for people who have limited success with women to take this advice and apply it. The sight of a beautiful women may still make you nervous. That is completely acceptable. I don't believe I got to this but all women really want is someone who is interesting. Now the term "interesting" can cover a large array of characteristics and that is why I chose that word. Women want to experience new things and learn new things. Now if you have great stories to tell but your body language sucks and you don't hold eye contact, you won't be deemed interesting. Everyone realize this please: WORDS (WHAT WE SAY) IS JUST 7% OF OUR COMMUNICATION. Did anyone see that? What we say has a very small bearing on how PEOPLE (Not just women, everyone!! Correct your BODY LANGUAGE and you'll find people are more receptive to your conversation.) perceive us. I know I've gone all over in this post but many things on this website are just confusing the shit out of people. BE YOURSELF! Don't be what you think that model over there wants you to be. Of course you want to bone her, but don't change who you are. Be INTERESTING EVERYONE!