I drew a portrait of this one girl a long time ago. I was also being a jerk to her. I was also too slow and so she already got a bf that's an average chump. The last thing I've said to her was "Hi" a month back and since then she hasn't talked to me. Anyways, one of her friends came after me today while she was with the rest of the group looking at me from far away and her friend asked me why I drew her on her knees (it was second drawing that I gave her). The drawing was a joke but I didn't catch on to what she was talking about so I said I only drew her a portrait. Then later I realized it. I drew a cartoon with two little kids on their knees (one girl, one boy) and the girl is extended her underwear outwards and the little boy is confused and thinking "???" and above it, it says: "One day I will control the future with this." I told her later in the day face to face that it was a joke and all that. She said, "I have NO idea what my friends were talking about."

When I got home, I texted her for the first time again in 6 weeks:
Me: It's angelo, are you still hating on me?
Her: What do you mean?
Me: Well, you blocked me on fb and all..
Her: I don't like putting up with bullshit drama
Me: There's no drama anymore
Her: Okay
Me: Your homeroom teacher (my teacher) told me that you asked about the drawing few weeks ago
Her: Yeah when we got report cards he talked to me about it.
He told me "shame on that freshman girl chasing after senior" haha jk
Her: Yeah
Me: Btw, was that Halloween stuff even true? idk why your friends told me
Her: No. This is why i don't talk to you. Because you say that kind of stuff.
Me: That's what Morgan told me so I assume you weren't so innocent. I mean your friends told you false things about me
Her: No she didn't. Like please dont talk to me. And stop lying.
Me: She told me on the day we started the fb war lmao. Our buses were late and she said, "ye well u know she has a bf. I also heard she gave head to guys on Halloween"
Her: Kcool
Me: Well that's why we argued b/c too many people were talking shit
Me: I don't see why we can't get along, you think I hate you and stuff
Her: I personally dont care about anything. Especially all this shit talking. So i aviod it and you cause it.
Have I said anything for the past month? No. Your friend came up to me today...you asked rajen if I've said anything else, etc.
Her: Thats such bull. I never ask him about you. I really dont care about you.
Me: When you two met at the mall. He just tells me. But look it's ok, saying you dont care is like me saying it's 50 inches long you're a cool person, kinda funny at times so anyways take care, everyone makes mistakes (teasing her)
Her: Whatever bye
Me: Aight, don't forget to look at the portrait tonight again lmao
Me: One more thing. Your friends are jealous and always will be. How did you expect they would react after seeing you being the only girl who had things going on that they could only dream of. I had to reject Kelly a few weeks ago. Morgan probably told me that Halloween thing b/c she knew I would confront you about it and make me look bad. Everything that happened wasn't bs. I don't care if you don't care. Think about it.

So what do you all think? I mean, we finally talked again. I didn't insult her or take her too seriously, I honestly thing this was the best I could do without apologizing for before. If she REALLY didn't care, she wouldn't get so defensive about it and say "I really don't care about you." It's just bullshit. I drew a picture-perfect portrait of this girl, she told me I make her blush and that no one has ever done to that before and that I'm just so unique. There is no way she doesn't think about me. She's bullshitting herself even with her bf and all. I already got myself a gf too so no worries. She believes the false shit her friends say about me but I think I'm still there to give her the slightest doubt that it isn't true (It really isn't.) They told me she gave head to people on Halloween, all that. Cockblocking fuckers.

Please see a psychiatrist.

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For? Maybe you need to see one because you clearly didn't have the slightest game or balls compared to me when you were in high school. I don't get what's fucking wrong again. Everything makes sense and don't try telling me girls don't understand logic, you're not a girl. You're just some guy hooking up with random women in random locations, what would you know about high school gaming?

I think what blondguy is trying to say is that your post doesn't really make any sense. I'm not really sure if there was a question in there. And why do you really care what this girl thinks, she obviously hates you just leave it be.

Ok so she hates me. I don't care about getting with her. I just remembered her again after a whole month since her friend today talked to me so that's my excuse to talk to her as well. There are things you can say to change a person's mind with time. Everyone here is so into the volume of girls that they're used to not putting in much effort. But I am putting in this effort NOT because I care about her emotionally, but because I want to learn. You never know what may come out in the future. Girls aren't robots. I see this girl passing by me within inches, she's not some random hoe you meet on the streets. How can this girl hate me...all I've done was so damn unique that even she said it. And since we have argued she has asked my teacher about the drawing, she has asked my friend if I've said anything else...

The girl is just holding her beef because she's got all these friends shielding her from me and she also got a bf so she's even less responsive to me. It's not like she's impossible or anything. Let's lay the street game low. From MY high school experience, these girls are insecure and can be easily manipulated. I've gotten back to being friends with girls that ACTED as if they hated me..

Good players that have had nasty-ending relationships are also good at getting back into them. The theory of "Girls like jerks" still exists, let's not forget that girls dont forget that easily about guys that made them feel all sorts of emotions.

honetly i think you should break ANY form of contact with her and if you must re-game her again in the future. BTW dont listen to her words listen to her body language. People say things all the time that they dont mean, but your body is truthful, just like when you can tell that someone has a fake smile

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No.
Cognitive dissonance reduction. (Please look it up)
You are correct. Drawing a solid picture of her is an emotionally moving gesture. Your followup needs work.
No, she's holding her beef because you're acting like a spacey weirdo. You couldn't pay a crack whore 100 bucks to sit there and listen to your crap.
Perhaps . . . but YOU could possibly be the most insecure member of this forum.(This is saying a lot) You are constantly manipulating yourself into what you are not. There is absolutely no reason for this.

In our last thread-exchange, I recommended that you WRITE previews, edit, revise, revise, revise. You clearly did not do this. You don't need us to critique your writing. Take a look at your own writing and tell me what EVERY LINE achieves? What was your goal? Why did it change through writing?

This is a pick up forum. The idea is to get the girl. This is YOUR GOAL. If you do not stop yourself from your knee jerk reaction communications, you'll continue to shout to the World that you too are an insecure little girl. They'll continue to treat you like one. You'll continue to play your part. Continuing this cycle is probably not your goal.

You DO NOT need to return a text within 5 minutes. You can think of a response, write it, revise, revise, revise. (Is this message going to achieve what I want it to achieve? Does it convey what's in my heart? How will she respond?) Then send it off. Can you tell me with a clear conscious mind that had you taken the time to revise your written material, you would have sent her the SAME MESSAGE as you did?

Instead, you've simply fallen back to your habitual patterns and left the girl with no room other than to tell you, "I don't care about you." - Then you come here and write reviews. This is a complete and utter waste of your energy.

She said she doesn't care about me because I indirectly pointed it out that she does and then she got all defensive about it. My goal with her was to get along, to clear some things up. I tried, and she said I am lying. I thought out the last message well and that's what I sent her. I don't see how I am saying crap to her. I even imagined being in her shoes with this guy explaining it to her.

Last message to her (2 hours later) was: One more thing. Your friends are jealous and always will be. How did you expect they would react after seeing you being the only girl who had things going on that they could only dream of. I had to reject Kelly a few weeks ago. Morgan probably told me that Halloween thing b/c she knew I would confront you about it and make me look bad. Everything that happened wasn't bs. I don't care if you don't care. Think about it.

Kelly is one of her friends. I put that in just to show that a friend of hers liked me. I also wanted to point out that everything wasn't bs because I personally know my honest side of it. I also gave her another way to think about the situation about her friends being jealous and all that because that is how I truly see those cockblockers. I showed them the drawing too...

I looked at every line. I don't see anything wrong. I started it out fine because today her friend went up to me and the "are you still hating on me" thing wasn't bad.

She said she doesn't like to put up with bullshit drama. OF COURSE she doesn't...she's a girl with emotions...drama calls upon all emotions, she doesn't want that and then I said that there was no drama anymore because we haven't talked for like 6 weeks. My goal was to point out her actions which would indirectly tell her that she cares about me. She knew right off the bat what my indirect message was. Whereas a person who TRULY doesn't care would be confused.

Look. When I call out a person for lying and they go straight into denial and say, "I didn't lie, stop making stuff up. I never lie." Means that there's a greater chance they lied as opposed to say, "Think whatever you want." When I pointed out that she still cares about me, she went straight into that defensive denial mode.

When I talked to her in person today, she was maintaining eye contact but she soon broke it by looking off to the side. She looked and felt 100% HARMLESS while I was talking to her. She seemed nice, and she said she had no idea what her friends were talking about the girl on the knees drawing. Right after that I told her, "What do you mean? I actually did draw a girl on her knees" she said nothing and kept listening to what I had to say. How the hell can she say her friends have no idea when they clearly know about it? Who else told them but her? She lied.

Fuck it. Girls don't say what they mean and don't mean what they say. How in the world can I be insecure. Maybe I sound insecure because I say so much, but I don't have fears and I am confident. I am just very analytical which is what contributes to the volume of my writing, not my insecurities.

im pretty sure ive seen about 3-4 different retarded threads that sounded similar by you. yes you need special help cause i feel sorry for girls who have to talk to you

There was nothing retarded about the conversation I had with her this time. It was pretty straightforward without any persistence or insults. I spoke my heart, she spoke her mind. I kept it a bit playful by adding the smilies and the "hahas" to make it comfortable over text..

But before that, yes I do admit I did some retarded things with girls. It's because I jumped to being an ass simply because of the phrase, "Nice guys finish last." So I basically was very mean to them.

My friend who doesn't read any PUA stuff is a natural gamer and player. He recently attended college and he's been clubbing for a long time and doing it with girls from high school 2 years back. He told me that the secret it to be the best 2 faced asshole in the world. "You want to be mean with girls so that they want you, not to kill you." When I told him that I just started an IM conversation with a girl saying, "Hey where were you yesterday? I was so damn glad I didn't miss you" and he said it was the worst thing to say in the world and I should have just said, "Hey how come you were absent? We took a lot of notes, I'll help you out and let you take them tomorrow when you come back." And I also asked him what he would say when he gets called a player and he said, "I'm not a player, I am the nicest guy you would ever know. Are you always this judgmental? So set the judgment aside and let me show you."

He said to be confident, but not arrogant, that's the key. Nothing worked with girls because I was arrogant. When I got called a player I said things like, "I am a player but it's not a bad thing, i mean it means im a likeable guy, cant keep the ladies off of me."

When she says "I don't care about you," and "stop talking to me," in PUA that really means "STOP TALKING TO ME, I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU."

Wow, mate you really need to socially calibrate yourself, if you ARE you need to take a long hard look at how your interpretation of picking up girls is effecting you and your social situation, your at school this isnt a learn from and throw away situation at a random club you have to be around these people all the time.

Im at work and bored so I'll bite...from MY point of view (ie everyone is different and the view/style might not fit with who you actually are, so bare that in mind):

Stop 'gaming' anyone, seriously just stop trying to be a 'PUA' for a while, get your head and outlook on life sorted so you dont come across as a nut job to her or her friends or any other girls.

Once you have that solid foundation, start up the active PUA stuff and hopefully temper it/tone it down a lot more than you have and try just use stuff that actually fits in with who YOU are, and not some rigid and incongruent website/book stuff.

Your overfull of all this bullshit PUA info: if X do Y, I must act like Z, at the end of level I must press up, down, down, left and then give a drawing to the boss. Clear all that crap out of your head and start over, take and use what actually works for you.

You have plenty of time try get around to doing this right in the future, but you should now be focusing on damage control otherwise this whole situation YOU have manufactured will hurt YOU socially for a long time, this is ALL your fault - all her actions, the way her and her friends are behaving is down to you - realise that and fix it. At this point this isnt really about direct PUA, it's more indirect and about your social situation you are building for yourself.

You HAVE lost this girl the best you can do at the moment is to get her alone(which may be hard in itself and could involve her calling the cops lol) and apologise, be 'AFC' as you may call it : but in reality isnt, since you are being mature enough to realise how much of a mess up you seem to have made. So say something like (change it to your slang or style w/e)

'Look I need to apologise to you for the way ive acted the last few months. The thing is I really digged you and I didnt want to mess it up and followed some really really really stupid advice which in the end did exactly what I was trying to avoid, instead of just being me. It's cool if you dont want to talk to me ever again I deserve it, I hope we can be friends but thats your decision, if not I wont bother you anymore, It's upto you'

Obviously you need to understand why you are saying something like that, if you dont or you really dont give a shit (all things point to that you do) then best not parrot it, just stop hassling her and move on.

You also need to realise if you say this she will tell her friends about this, which goes some way to fixing any negative image of you held by them and by extension their friends. Enjoy that slice of humility pie, and hopefully the experience will help steer you away from the actions which lead you there in the first place.

If you really have big balls and can do it in a matter of fact way and not like your being lead to execution do it to her INFRONT of her friends, she will do one or two things accept the apology or publicly stick the knife in, either way to me it's win win, since:

1) If she accepts it, your fued or whatever is over and you come across as alot less of a total nut job - which believe me in small social circles like school is not something you want going around, even if you feel your actions were AFCish it doesnt matter since you have no chance of 'gaming' her now anyway. What your doing is showing some maturity and semblance of sanity which is always a good thing.
2) If she verbally sticks the knife in (which you may probably deserve) afterwards, it shows you how much a bitch she really is and you can consider yourself lucky that you didnt get involved and it also shows that side to her friends and dramatically strips away any negative build up or perception of you among them since girls deep down dont like seeing bambi getting shot and are less likely to take onboard anything negative she says about you.

God that is coming across as cold and calculated and an 'angle' on the situation, try not to take it that way, if you cant do it for you and realise the situation you have created dont even bother to try use it as another 'move'. I'll stop waffling again lol.

To summarise:
Sort your head/outlook/attitude out.
Fix your social situation, your in school for a while and it's a set social scene!
Man up and apologise if you understand why you are.
Take a less extreme approach to 'PUA' and be more subtle, try stupid shit liek this out in clubs not school.
Never get upset/swear at the ladies.
Never say you dont care or over text someone.
Dont bitch about a girls friends.
And dont react to people being two faced, everyone has personal motives.

P.S you should have moved on and gamed that friend (kelly?) that was interested, funnily enough you did go about that in a much better way - not so intense, less fixation on the outcome, less erratic 'gaming' bla bla bla. If you treated her right she would be singing your praises to her friends, the same way as this other one is probably talking about you being a nut job lol, which would you prefer?

I was a douchebag to that other girl too. At first we got along and I was nice, but my friend you see, is the asshole type of guy who is extremely cocky with girls and I took his advice. So I told that girl off by saying, "Look if you're trying to make me jealous it's not working." And then a few days later she called me a dbag after I made fun of her at school and I said something to her like, "Who the shit are you?" and stuff so it ended there. So she's pretty much done.

As for the other girl that I drew, eh, the best I could do is if I happen to talk to her again in the distance future, I could say something like, "Yeah I acted a bit weird back then but.." But who knows, she may break down some day and begin talking to me. I got over her a long time ago but her friend just recently brought up the whole thing again that's why I said to her, "Have I said anything after a month? No. Your friend came up to me today while you were watching with your other friends and.."

I don't really think that I've been gaming too hard on girls, rather I've been trying to game. I would have a lot more success saying they are cute and stuff than trying to neg them all the time and act all cocky. Luckily there are some girls that know me and I know them where I haven't "fucked it up" with them yet. I must admit that I am now just starting to balance the good with the bad.

EXACTLY.

WHY DON'T YOU DROP YOUR PATHETIC ATTEMPTS AT GAME AND JUST TRY AND BE A FUN, SOCIABLE GUY.

YOU CAN STILL GIVE PEOPLE COMPLIMENTS AND BE A GOOD PERSON WITH BEING AN "AFC," AS LONG AS YOU DO IT GENUINELY, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO, RATHER THAN TO MAKE PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

Game is not about being a dick to people. It's not about insulting women. It's not about pretending you don't like a girl when you actually do.

You're a good looking guy, and you're young. You can do fine. But, you have to stop seeing everything as an attack on you, and you have to stop making everything you do some calculated attempt to undermine people's confidence and fuck with them so that they'll somehow like you. It's NOT WORKING.

I would spend the next few months giving random compliments to everyone. You like a guy's jacket, say so, with a smile. You like how a girl did her hair today? Tell her! If you mean it genuinely and say it with a smile, people will naturally open up to you, without any tricks or negs or any bullshit like that. Then you can just talk about mutual interests, ask people questions about themselves, and LISTEN TO THEM. They might have something interesting to say. You might LEARN SOMETHING.

TRY IT!

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