Got in a complicated argument with this girl and tbh this is something I haven't seen much in PUA stuff dealing with arguments. Frankly I'm pretty lost. I don't wanna just shut her out, cause I'm pretty sure she'll just leave it alone. But I don't wanna go AFC on her just begging forgiveness.

I'm not sure if you guys can help me out with such a vague statement, but for multiple reasons I don't wanna get into the details. One being that it'd be long and drawn out to explain the whole thing. General help of how to deal with an argument with a girl you're gaming would help though.

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I will never claim my suggestions to be what is purely right. These are just what they are: suggestions. If I give a suggestion to you and it sounds good, but backfires miserably, do not blame me. I can't guarantee you anything.

Keep up the arguing. Stay witty and smart in it/flirt while arguing with her by saying something like, "Haha you're so cute when you get frustrated." If she starts to get to you personally or say something bad to you, start cussing without calling her any names. Just be like, "Who the shit do you think you are?" And at the end of it, always make sure you're the one leaving first to show the high value. Say something at the end like, "Well I'm out. Tired of wasting my time on you." In really bad arguments with girls, I don't think about how to insult the girl as much as I can. I think of what I can say to really put her mind to work once we're done arguing. I just like to shut girl's mouths up when they argue with me by attacking their morals or lifestyle/personality. I say things like, "Nice manners by the way." Or "This is why every guy treats you bad." Or "I thought you were cool at first but now I know what you really are. And you know this happens with other guys you meet."

The secret of winning an argument is the realization that it is not about winning.

People argue because they misunderstand each other, most of the time or because one of them feels threatened by something.

Try to see it from her point of view and try to understand her. Show her that you understand her and try to explain to her what you want her to understand.

Guys normally fight to solve things. Girls often fight just to vent things or to make you understand that something is wrong. (as if that isnt obvious)

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Well the argument already ended basically. And it wasn't one of those arguments where being funny would be productive at all. This is more about the apologizing/making her not mad stage.

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I will never claim my suggestions to be what is purely right. These are just what they are: suggestions. If I give a suggestion to you and it sounds good, but backfires miserably, do not blame me. I can't guarantee you anything.

You can never explain what you want the girl to understand. They don't know logic. Arguing is a natural thing that exists for a reason. An argument should not be confused with a verbal fight where there's no meaning. The point of an argument is so there can be a winner and why is that good? Because an argument is an intelligent discussion designed for one person to win and put the mind of the other to work. Not to end with oh he's crazy. If you end it with telling the girl she's a bitch, that's not an argument anymore. She'll have nothing to think about that once it's over. But once you say something like, "You do this to every guy so you're always in control" then that will put her mind to work.

"Guys normally fight to solve things. Girls often fight just to vent things or to make you understand that something is wrong." GUYS should fight to make the girl understand that something is wrong. Think like a woman, act like a man.

Not making her mad? Who gives a shit what happens to her. A girl getting mad really works her other emotions and that's what makes them like you. You want to get her mad with wit though, not anger. Anger is what makes them think you're just an asshole and that's it. Wit is what makes them think you're really something and makes them SAY you're an asshole.

This is why you fail... Girls know logic but use more factors than we do. Women think emotionally, there is logic in emotion.

Men and women can coexist in harmony. It is not a fight for power! If your brain is wired to think that you gotta win, you are heading the wrong way.

I sense a bit of dark feelings towards women in this post, am I right?

You should take your own advice, think like a woman, act like a man. Only I dont think that you can actually think like a woman since you dont seem to understand how they think. And you cannot act like a man since... Better unsaid.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I tried being like that, it didn't work. When you have the "I don't take your shit attitude" it works for me. When I was like that the way you described it, I would get all walked over.

I found it's different for every person. For some guys, it works to be ruthless towards girls. For others it doesn't. It's about the looks. I myself am one of those "hot" guys with the "asshole look" and therefore I cannot be sweet with girls because it doesn't match up. Imagine how many girls try to walk all over me. A TON. I get so much shit from girls for LESS reasons than my nice, sweet friends do. Why? Because I have the appearance of looking like a bigshot when I walk around and the way I sit and all so girls want to put me down for that because they don't like seeing a guy that's so confident and "high up" in front of their faces. I tried being sweet and girls got the message that I'm gay. There is no universal way to act. You act based on the way you look/appear.

My friend's a pussy. So he's all sweet with girls and apologizes. It works for him. If he tried being like me with his pink polos and looks, it would do him no good.

You arent looking at the big picture here.

It is not a matter of personality it is a matter of inner strength and personal development.

If you are strong enough you can afford being nice without ever getting walked over.

If a complete loser goes into a bar and buys a girl a drink, he is a loser. If I sit in my private jet with a bottle of champagne and dont offer the girl a glass, I am just stupid.

And it is not just black and white. You dont have to apologize for stuff all the time and you dont have to take every single confrontation.

I apologize when I have wronged someone and I take a confrontation if it is important. Apart from that I dont give a shit.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

True. But in practice, I personally fail when I apologize to the hot, proud-looking girls. Apologizing/taking confrontations depends on the type of girl. If it's an ugly girl, I'd apologize, who cares. If it's one of those stuck-up girls, no apologies, unless me and her knew each other a long time or if I truly know I said something very bad to her and she took it seriously. But I don't care if she accepts the apology or not. But what you do and say to girls depends more on using your own head and thinking before you speak. If you say something bad...hey, you said it. It was your fault, apologize.

But this look thing really matters for some reason. Why is it that when you see a person's physical characteristics, you pretty much know how he acts? I mean they're clothes and hair style add solid points, but I'm just referring to their face, height, structure...

seriously, winning an arguement is rarely good in general LET ALONE with a chick.

i remember id make a girl understand i was right and she was wrong when i was younger but BOOOOOOYYYYYYY was i wrong (eh?)

seriously, if you 'win' an arguement with a girl you're gaming; just walk away. Youve already lost.

if you even sense an arguement beginning (which i do now) just either cut the thread and smile at her or if its gotten reasonable far in just tell her "okay i see your point, i like that you speak your mind" or something like that.

and understand her point, you still dont have to agree.

Also in conversation in general just listen to her depth of her in what she's saying than her actual words (although pay attention to that too). This should stop arguements once your just trying to understand her as a person and not her actual conversation.

girls do that a lot, they know how to listen. its one cool thing about girls; they listen to you and laugh with you.

win the arguement, lose the pussy.

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"You don't want girls to think you suck dick at fucking pussy"
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Not really. Winning the argument makes you a challenge for her. I think about it this way. "If that chick wins the argument, she loses the dick." What about smiling and avoiding the argument and finding out that that chick later found another guy? If she's one of those hot girls that gets chased all the time, arguing is an absolute must. No mercy, win at all costs. But win cleverly in order for her to feel sorry and think that something really IS wrong with her. In other words, don't call her any names. Judge the hell out of her and basically explain what her own life is like but it has to be true for it to work. She must know it's true in order for her to come back to you/be friendlier with you next time.

That's what an alpha male does in an argument; puts a girl's mind to work to think about the words he told her while at the same time leaving the argument first to show he has no time to waste.

haha seriously are you trolling or pissing around?

every man over the age of 30 will tell you "you can never win an arguement with a girl.".

hahaha seriously "why do you like him?"

"well he's just so arguementative, he makes sure i feel really bad about it all everytime."

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"You don't want girls to think you suck dick at fucking pussy"
-Seth (Superbad)

I love it man. So fucking true.

I dont know what is that guy's (Nyseto) problem. My opinion, you need professional help dude. And I say this to you with love. You really should never let something raddle you up to the point that an argument must ensue. LOL. Its about having fun and showing her your good personality. Not going against what she is saying because you want to win an argument.

Now the one question I have to you guys is, what do you do when you disagree with something that she does or say? Of course, it would be better to ignore it. But what if it is something that you fundamentally disagree with. Move on or try to resolve it with her....

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I was gonna ask him if he was trolling as well but I thought it was a bit mean...

Anyway. Of course you can win an argument with a girl. It is just not advisable to try it. It is not advisable to win an argument with anyone, not even to see it as winning or losing. It is a mechanism to come to a better understanding of each other, nothing more.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn