Shattered confidence. How can i possibly recover?



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:35 am 
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Hey guys :D firstly, thanks for clicking on this post. Sorry theres abit to read, if you can get through it though youre a legend. Truly.

So basically, im self conscious due to the fact that i look 15 years old, when im actually 18. There are no advantages to this at all - no girl in a club wants to close with a guy who they think is a 15 year old minor with a fake ID.

Just now, the girl i was really interested in has fallen into a relationship - literally the minute i was about to ask her out. I finally built up the courage to.
Id love to say "Shes just one out of many", but ive had so much failure, and dont think i have the potential to find a girl in a club because I cant be taken seriously for looking so young.

My track record has been SO bad, i dont know how i can possibly recover. Around 5 girls in a row have rejected me, and ive never had a girlfriend.
The thing is, girls find me hilarious. And "cute", which i think is the biggest problem.
I dont act overly nice - im aware of coming across as needy and desperate, so i try to hide this as much as possible.
Its as if girls just fail to see me as "fuckable". For example, a girl who said im the funniest guy in the world told me "I love your company - you dont intimidate me like other guys. Youre like a little brother to me"

Biggest shot through the heart. Seriously, the only opportunities i seem to have are with gay guys...what the fuck.

The amazing thing is, heaps of friends assume im a ladies man and ask me for advice. Truth is, im terrible with women. Not with shyness, not with opening groups, but with actually being perceived as attractive.


So. I need advice with what i can possibly do to recover. Am i supposed to aim for girls in elementary school? A girl in a club told me i look 12 last night...
lowest point in my life by far lmao.

Also, what are some general tips which can help me? ANYTHING is appreciated so immensely, you have no idea.

Thankyou so much


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:31 pm 
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Don't beat yourself up, you're only 18 and have plenty of time to learn. I was still a virgin at your age and wouldn't even learn about the game until I was 22, so you're already way ahead! Also, I was 'rejected' by 5 girls in a row yesterday! It's a numbers game and you have to just learn from the sets that don't go your way and keep opening and opening until you hook one!

I continue to be in exactly the same position as you. My avatar is a pretty accurate representation of what I look like. I frequently get told I look young (18-20 when I'm actually 25, I get IDed ALL THE TIME, I got IDed for cigarettes the other day and I was wearing a 3 piece suit for fuck's sake!). I just make a joke about it, laugh, and move right along. After all, I cannot change the way my face is shaped. However, there are 3 things you can change - your style, your mindset, and your game.

In terms of style, you can:

Grow facial hair
Wear glasses
Change your hairstyle (often longer hair can make you appear older)
Wear "older" looking clothes. You'll be surprised how much older people think you are if you're wearing a white collared shirt, a skinny black tie and black shoes than if you're wearing a t-shirt and white trainers. Also classier accessories like a silver ring or bracelet can help, and women generally respond favourably to them.

In terms of mindset:

Realise that you can only change the things you have power over (the above) and then accept the things you cannot (the phenotypic traits you are genetically predisposed to exhibit e.g. facial structure, height, eye colour, etc.) All you can do is make the most of what you have. If somebody tries to drag you down or insult you based on something you cannot change, then just ignore them. They're being an idiot anyway. Their comment only affects you if you ALLOW it to. You can choose to accept yourself, be happy with who you are, and little comments like that will just bounce off of you.

In terms of game:

It sounds like you are comfortable around women and are cool with approaching and getting locked in into a fun conversation. That's great. You're already doing really well. All you have to focus on is taking that positive energy you've built up and turning the interaction SEXUAL. The sticking points you should work on are:

1. Kino. Try and fit in 3 touches into the first few minutes of EVERY interaction you have with EVERY girl from now on, even if you don't want to game her.

2. Turning the conversation sexual. If you're super comfortable with talking openly about sexual topics, then chances are so will she. Not only does this help you screen for the kind of sexually open girl that will be down for a SNL, but displaying confidence in this way allows her to view you as a sexual person, not just the gay friend.

3. Sexually escalating using push pull. Kino escalating past "friendly" touching, i.e. from arms and shoulders to thighs and ass, etc. Remember to always be the first to drop kino, and then always leave her wanting you to re-engage. This is how you build sexual tension. If you keep pushing and pushing, then you kill it.

4. Voice tonality - you want to start speaking in a slower, deeper voice, especially important before you k-close to build tension with gaps in the conversation and slowing down the pace of the conversation.

5. Eye contact - holding sexual eye contact. Pick one eye (don't flit between the two eyes quickly, it looks nervous) and hold eye contact more deeply as you're talking more slowly and deeply. Before a k-close, use triangular gazing where you look at one eye, then mouth, then other eye, spending about a second on each, and then go in 90% of the way and let her go the last 10.

6. Body language. Overall, you need to display more masculine qualities, especially alpha standing, walking and moving, to compensate against the "image" that people will assume of you. Stand up tall, shoulders back, chest forward, legs wide, walk a bit slower than usual, and keep your arms by your sides, not in front of you like you're protecting yourself from something. You have nothing to hide, and nothing to fear, from anyone.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:23 pm 
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Blond guy gave you a pretty good answer overall so I wont go into any of that except to give you one answer that may help cuz it helped me when a girl once said aww ur young. She goes aww ur a baby or your so young you reply in as seductive a way as possible "I know Im like a baby does that mean your gonna take me home and cuddle me in bed" Its quite a line but if you use it at the rite time it builds quite a lot of sexual tension and attraction "If your using liens liek that shes gonn athink you get laid on teh reg hope that helps.

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Blondguy is very wise listen to him and ye shall go far.

I have always looked young my whole life. Im 30 and people say I look 25 and when I was 25 I looked 15 haha. I lost my virginity at 19 and I really feel like ive come into my looks and my maturity has grown tremendously. Your 18 and starting to learn these techniques at a young age it will only be beneficial in the long run.

One thing you have to steer clear of is the gay ass gangster look or lmfao pink 90s sunglasses and huge skater shoes I see kids sporting these days. My cousin is 19 and wears those flat brimmed hats with the huge loud ufc style shirts and the huge kicks. It makes him look 15 and you guessed it he attracts 15 year olds. Im not saying you dress like this but I can spot a 15 year old or actually a 19 year old a mile away. Hit the gym start to work out and fill out a bit more this will help too.

I wish I got into the game at a young age like you it would have been epic

good luck


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:23 am 
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guys, thanks SO much - Im realising my biggest problem is Kino..i never ever push for physical contact 0.0
Cant wait to go out and try some of these tips, seeing how perceptions might change :D


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