I just dont get it with women. I watch guys dancing and snogging girls and I dont understand. I want to quit cause they find it so natural and i dont know what to do Im fed up with not knowing and thats it.

Are you here to find the answers or are you just going to continue whining? If you're just going to keep feeling sorry for yourself without working on gaining this understanding you speak of then you're in the wrong fucking place.

All the information you need is within the seduction community and all the practice you need to gain the real understanding is out there in the real world. You have no excuse to feel this way, especially when you're already on a fucking forum about pickup.

Now quit whining and start asking the right questions.

Right on Chief. As for the OP: "I saw a man give up once. He died."-Gerrold Johnson, Korean War fighter ace.

Ok ok ill stop whining! jeez.

no nonsense from chief as per usual

i agree with what hes saying though mate , you just need to stick with it .

som huys are born natural , some guys ( like you and also me ) dont . thats why the forum was created . to help guys like us get laid lol.

now i dont know how long youve been trying this stuff but you cant honestly tell me it hasnt helped AT ALL.

and maybe im way wrong but it sounds like you have a very weak inner game from your message.

now stick with it , read some shit and use it.

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rather then worry about other's success worry about your own!!!!! do you want to be successful or watch others be successful?
rather then moping why you aint being approached by girls(which is never going to happen) try approaching make friends and have fun, plus if girls sense that your miserable they aint going to want to be anywhere near you!

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Right ill set the record straight. For some flipping reason im getting major depression the morning after going out at night to pubs.
Hence the major winge! Which I now apologise for!
Before I met the ex missus 15 years ago this was my main source of meeting mates and women. It now seems to smash my feelgood factor like a freight train because im in a strange town where no-one knows me for certain.
The learning curve Ive gone through in the last six months is unfuckingbelievable.
Ive gotta say this forum is the dogs bollox even just for learning how to socialise with new people you dont know!
Im going to stop going to pubs(Fuck) and stick to going out to busy places during day and conversing with complete strangers which is great!
No point asking a question because Ive set the missions I need to achieve myself now im comfortable with saying hi to anyone anywhere (except maybe HB 9-10's).
You will not here anymore whinging from me! Oh no!

haha, this is a tough world.

:p Not much advice is gonna be able to help ya until you can work out that depression, self doubt, and whininess. Work on your "inner game". There are resources all over the internet.

How the fuck are you supposed to know what the right questions to ask are, by the fucking way (with all due respect)

Well I can easily answer that question by recommending "use your common sense," but sometimes it doesn't seem as simple as that, right?

I think you'll get a better understanding if you do some more research.

Best thing anyone could ever possibly do to be successful is fail. Thats right, failing is by fare the best way to learn because its programmed in your DNA. You know not to sip hot coffee right? I am sure that you have been burned a couple times, now you know not to touch it. You say somthing that Doesnt work, you know will naturally not say it again assuming you can read body language.

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