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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:39 pm 
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SO, I dated this girl 3 times.

First time I k-closed, second time she went to my house and said "we can't have sex" when I tried touching her pussy in my bed, third time we went to the mall and chatted a lot and she told me she's a virgin.

We talk a lot, she looks like she's really into me and treats me as boyfriend even though I'm not.

What's the best way to overcome this LMR? She's coming to my house again.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:58 pm 
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It's difficult to say because there's a lot of potential reasons for the LMR to an outsider like me, and different reasons require different solutions.

However.

It's always useful to remember the wet principle:

Get a girl wet, and in the short-term, she'll do anything. Girls act differently in the short-term and the long-term. That's why so many 'good' girls cheat (and regret it afterwards).

So I would focus on getting her wet/getting her turned on. How to do this? I think you have some background in NLP and various disciplines. So whilst there's no need to formulate some elaborate pattern, I would concentrate on positional logistics. You need to get in such a position that you are close to her, where you can easily kino and where you are both comfortable. You could use the classic watch a movie in bed, then stroke her and kiss her on the cheek and play with her hands and casually brush her tits until she gets too horny to handle it. Or one I use often is to just be teasing her of some sort then to grab her hands and pin them to a wall or something (still teasing in a casual/joking manner - you're punishing her for some silly mannerism or something she did). From there just slow down and look at her lips. Start the kissing etc. Rub her vagina with your knee to scope out how she's feeling about it.

Before any of this happens, though, the ideal thing to do would be to get more information from her to try and understand the cause of this LMR. The perfect question would be "What would have to happen in order for you to have sex with me". Obviously it's hard to ask that bluntly. So something I often do is take her through an allegory with a similar mock situation with a 'friend' of yours and get her to give you advice for him or her. That accesses her resourcefulness. Alternatively you could question her about her past where she's been in similar situations, but since she's a virgin I don't think this would be useful. Or, you could just be vague and have a conversation about sex and what she thinks about it. All of this HAS to be done way before you're thinking of laying her, otherwise it will kill the mood and/or put way too much pressure/emphasis on the lay.

Another thing to keep in mind, is always have an open mind. It may just be that she was on her period at the time! Or, it may be that she had a bad experience in the past. Don't judge or have preconceptions - I make this mistake ALL the time and I pay for it in sperm.

When you're kissing and stuff, a good move is rather than you trying to get frisky with her progressively, you can take her hand and put it on your penis. She will start rubbing it etc and this should also turn her on more. That's a very underrated move, it's good for leading to sex.

When you're kissing and stuff, use LOADS of foreplay. Don't even get close to her bottom half for a LONG time. Tease her.

When you're kissing and stuff, get her to verbalise her feelings. This is an excellent trick to decrease LMR because you are causing a communication loop in her head so that she almost 'forward' backward rationalises the fact that she is enjoying what you are doing, thereby accepting it. E.g. "Does that feel good?" or "How fucking horny do you feel right now?" Etc. It also increases comfort because you're both talking.

If all else fails, you will have to resort to post-LMR tactics. I'm sure you know lots of these (the freeze out falls into this category, 1 step back 2 steps forward, agree verbally but nonverbally continue, etc).

1. Get her wet
2. Be physically close
3. Try and find out the cause of the issue
4. Keep an open mind
5. Get her to touch your dick first
6. Loads of foreplay
7. Verbalise feelings
8. Post-LMR tactics

There's more, but I would go on forever. It'd be best if you could spend sometime before you get to the lay location talking about it or turning her on, so you can ease into it later.

Good luck xx


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:44 pm 
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That was an epic post.

Thank you very much R.G..


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