I'm good as hell at sarcasm and rebuttals but I'm using it as a crutch, what else can I throw in attraction that will help build it? DHV's? im thinking the humorous side.. can i get some examples of funny DHV's so i can get the idea? but is that all I can build attraction with conversation wise? negs and DHV? there has to be more...

Well ImNaShitFool,I use used negs & DHV's from the inception too.

What else in the attraction phase?

How about banter?Thats what Im a specialist at.

You eluded to that also;being sarcastic.

But Im more speaking about the boyish dont really care to offend style,while making the girl laugh same time.

Definitely short-DHV story with a humorous kicc to it.

May seems vague but I can give examples if want to.

But with negs,dont over do it.

Just the other day,a guy on the forum said he suddenly lost a set and didnt know why.

When he ran down the dialogue,he had some over-the top negs:borderline disrespectful.

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oh no i havent encountered any PROBLEMS negging too much..

like i said my rebuttal game is on point, I destroy shit tests because of that...

its just the in the retrospect, its the only thing I do.. I feel like im in kindergarden picking on girls i like.. it gets the job done, but I'm kinda bored with it.

And some high value girls dont respond to negs.. like this one whos miss perfect rich n everything who id love to game cuz I know i got it once my foots in the door.. but I cant find her hooking point n negs are common to her cuz high value guys are also common to her...

Lol,I dont think I can help you on this one ImNaShitFool because we basically have similar approaches(negs,coccy/funny and banter).

Lol,good to have your damage control on point when it comes to negs & shit tests.

Most guy get flustered and side tracted to the point of being speechless when they over neg or get shit tested.

Im still satisfied with banterish/humorous openers(they work as you said)so I never even sought out alternate path.

Banter,negs,DV story,occasional routine(palm reading,or pretending to be able to read her palms-lol)...thats what I do.

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true.. i'll prolly stick to my guns anyway.. i need a solution for the girls who dont take that kind of bait tho..

i think ima do some evil genius shit on the chick i mentioned before..

I think the problem is the difference in our social values, I'm the notoriously shy for no reason kid.. and shes the notorious stereotypical perfect girl with a million friends.. so her guard is up on the opening... i need a way around that guard.. justification? DHV is gonna be transparent cuz her own value is pretty high up there... she socializes with the super high value guys already.. thats prolly bringing sand to the beach to her..

maybe a justified opener....then some DHV'ing and Comfort building with "I'm really not a loser" written in between the lines.. then go back to my neg game to build attraction?

only problem is justifying it.. she has nothing to offer lol.. theres no commonalities to exploit that i know of.. grrr... I'll think of something!

Hey ImNaShitFool,did your say you're notoriously shy?

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no, the thing is.. From school, I had a reputation.. or.. more of like.. a stigma.. of being hard to talk to & only social with my small circle.. I had respect, and everyone liked me.. I just avoided socializing with new people alot.

Thats why i say "shy for no reason" because, it was to the point where, with some girls it would DHV me & i didnt even know it cuz girls would look at me as a more difficult challenge.. cuz I clearly wasent a wierdo and had plenty alpha male traits, but I didnt seem interested in talking to anyone or hitting on any girls.. it was Because I was shy, but they didnt really notice...

so notoriously SHY? eh, not necessarily thats a bit much, but my avoidance def must have raised a few eye brows.