Hey guys!
Have you ever talked about PU with women?
I was talking to this girl and she thinks PU is just plain pathetic and that she would run away.

The thing is experience shows it works. So maybe she was just saying this to protect her ego?

What's your opinion on this?

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"Their compliance is,
'Does she grab your hand?' F*ck you! I want to grab her mind. If I can
grab her mind, she'll be grabbing whatever I want, any way I want her to." - Ross Jeffries

most women think of it as tricks and shit, and when objectively viewing it as tricks, they cant believe it would work.

but some girls, that spend some time around psychology and shit, they'll recognize how and why it hurts.

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Every Saint has a Past, Every Sinner has a Future

As Mystery says, "never believe anything that comes out of a woman's mouth...."lol

It has been shown to work and they are just mad because it levels the playing field and they cannot control YOU as much!

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"I forgive you...."

I think that pickup has two sides to it.

1) The "sleazy" side where guys use bells and whistles in order to sleep with girls.

2) The "real" side where guy learns to be the best they can, to improve himself in all aspects. Getting girls, then, is a mere side result.

Most people think of the first side.

Wham! Totally behind this assessment. Think about what pickup teaches about working from an abundance mentality, then think about the typical guy that would seek out pickup to improve himself (hint: he's obviously not too busy having sex), then think about how women generally react to men they perceive as having limited options. She's not lying, if she knew that some guy hitting on her was spouting a bunch of bullshit designed to flip her attraction switches and escalate sexually without tripping any of her 'defenses' why wouldn't she feel manipulated? In this example the guy is low value, he's not trying to become higher value and then reap the rewards, he's trying to get laid without investing in himself. This is why I believe that if your pickup style doesn't focus on improving and genuinely conveying who you are it's not going to produce long term success; unless your idea of long term success is a lot of numbers and lays without regard for lasting relationships, anyone that thinks routines simply don't work is deluding themselves, this chick included, because in general women (in reality, people) can't always detect contrived manipulative behavior.

All that said, I think this is a great opportunity to observe the power of confidence and honesty in action. If you are genuinely trying to improve yourself (hitting the gym, grooming yourself, smiling and being positive to everyone you meet, etc.) and are also working on conveying that 'self' in the most effective way possible by learning about the nuances of human interaction, then from where I'm sitting you're well on your way to being an awesome guy, and awesomeness is very attractive. One of my friends talks about social dynamics whenever he can with women, in part because he mentors guys for a living on how to be more effective socially and as such it's a big part of his life, but that's just a consequence of him being incredibly passionate and knowledgeable about it, which is why it helps him in attracting women.

I agree with this 100%.

Women will tell you it doesn't work in hopes that you will get discouraged and stop doing it. There is no possible way they can truely believe it doesn't work unless they are complete morons or tools.

They just don't like the idea of men having options and being able to be as selective as they like to be with us. They are used to AFC's who will settle for any woman who doesn't reject them.

This is why when women give dating advice.. they are usually telling you how to be a big AFC. Why would they want to give you the power?

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Women are smarter than you think... but not as smart as THEY think