What I am looking for is strategies on how to do it with a virgin girl.

Background on her: She's virgin. Can't kiss. Haven't been touched before in the way I touched her. Smart, but at the same time a bit childish for her age. Comes from a strict family. Hasn't been exposed to a lot of stuff.

Here's the story:
We approached that group of girls long time ago with my friend. There was a girl I got interested in, but we didn't exchange numbers then. I saw her in a few days in the club and we grind even tho she has (had? dunno) a boyfriend. That's when i got her number. After I invited her to go out. We just got something to eat and went to the park. We were just talking and i didn't make a move cuz she started talking about her bf, cuz she had to text him but forgot her phone. So, I interrupted her and suggested we go home. Then I told her that I invited her for different reasons and her bf should know. We kept texting back and forth, w/e. We had a second 'date'. I introduced heavy touch, but nothing too sexual (tickling, holding hands, hugs). I heard no bf bullshit this time.

The third date is the one I went caveman, and tickling grew into me squeezing her ass, and her trying to get back at me doing the same. Then no more squeezing ass it just became that I can touch her anywhere except pussy, boobs and no kissing. She wouldn't let me do it and avoided the kiss situations. So I stopped it after 3 hours of touching and fooling around in the park and we went to drive around. Then I showed her another park, and it all started again. We fooled around for an hour and went back to the car. Then I made her come to the back seat with me. There I tried to get what I wanted, but she still wouldn't let me rub her pussy nor touch her boobs. Then I managed to get her sitting on top of me. She was moaning very quietly and she moved her hips in circular movements. That's when I kissed her and damn: she's a terrible kisser, she also bit my tongue. I reached to unbutton her shorts and got my hands taken away. That was enough. I broke it off and drove her home.

I lay low for a few days, then started replying to her messages. We met up again recently and went to the same park. I started where we left off and for 2 hours i tried to get her pussy and tits. I tried a more distinctive push-pull technique, to teach her not to take my hands away. I ended up rubbing her pussy. But she would n't let me go into her underwear. I got her tits too this time. I made her rub my dick through the jeans while I worked on her pussy...

But then we had to go, because something happened to my car.

So, it could have gone two ways. It would either happen or not. And it didn't, due to circumstances.



Seen her 3 times after that.

Last time I managed to get her to sit on top of me and rub my dick while I was rubbing her pussy. Took me about 40 mins to get her ready, but the furthest I got was one knuckle in the hole.

I'm pretty sure I got her to orgasm twice. Once rubbing through jeans, another time with my finger in the hole.

It all happened exactly a week ago. Since then I asked her out once and she couldn't get out. She is pretty busy working, I saw her schedule. It's been 4 days since last time we talked and it was me asking her out. Usually she starts conversations and I go along and take it to a meetup.

I have two questions:

1) It was mostly her who gets the pleasure, I just get a rub sometime. She knows that touching mine will trigger me touching her, so she does it. The question is how do I make her give me pleasure?

2) Why isn't she writing to me? I agree I am getting emotionally attracted to her now, therefore my head tries to play tricks on me sometimes and makes me do AFC things. I guess that type of question is AFC... But I wanna know why... Wasn't she feeling great last time with me? Doesn't she want more? Maybe she is scared, because I told her that she was having a good time and next time it's my turn... Maybe that scares her off?

Being emotionally attracted makes it harder in the game. When I didn't give a shit she'd write to me non-stop....Now it's different, or it's just my head...

Anyways, what are your advices? How should I go about situation? Start the convo or just chill? How long to chill? Any advice will be helpful.

Half of this post is some erotic story and not much help you can get from a PUA forum. Basically you dont really know her much at all and just seem to be focused all your efforts on the outcome (sex) . You need to take a step back.

Out of curiosity what age are you?

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Oh, I agree, Virgin girls drive me nuts sometimes but I love them too, because the end result seems so scintilating. Basically, they take sex really, uber, really extremely very seriously, like they will slide down a rainbow into a magical gumdrop forest when it happens. They have this burning curiosity to experience that kind of please BUT, and this is a big but, they also have very, extremely, huge, gigantic, massive expectations of the guy they are going to be with because of that.

They expect a handsome and daring knight to come on a white horse and sweep them off their feet.

I've never made it all the way with one but I will tell you what seems to make progress with them. Basically, their preconceptions on sex are warped because of their inexperience. Their view of what sex is like is mostly what they got from playing with barbie dolls as a kid. So you have to emulate, as much as possible, the steriotypical loverboy kind of guy. Once you are in the comfort stage, you gotta turn up the romance to the max and be a perfect gentleman.

Hand kisses, red roses, candlelight, watching shooting stars on the top of a hill, SPAM, I believe is extremely critical because, and actually this is my theory for all women of quality:

there is always an internal conflict in a woman's mind between her logical side which tells her to wait for a commitment before giving over ot sex, and her emotional side which seeks instant gratification.

In a seduction, you must work to bring emotions to the forefront and repress logic. There's several strategies I've thought of.

1. Find words that have a special significance to her, she'll usually use those words to describe her ideal guy. Throw those words into your conversation and she'll be turned on subliminally.
2. Shock and delight, when people are surprised they act on impulse without thinking through. One of my favorite things to do is to take a girl into an elevator and hold it like a perfect gentleman, then once we are alone, slam her against the wall, and make her submit.
3. Logical distraction-emotional stimulation, don't talk about sex or love while when you're trying to get it. When you talk about sex it comes to a woman's logical forfront. Instead, talk about something more prosaic and use kino, facial expression, or a pleasant environment to talk to her emotions.
4.Create a playful environment, when we are playing we don't take things seriously, we act on emotions, and we don't worry about consequences. You can also use that to create kind of a childhood reversion and she might reveal what some of her deep-seated sexual fantasies are.
5. Make it seem as if there is no choice involved for her. Don't listen to her when she says stop(unless she really says stop, trust me there is a difference). Sometimes women will just resist because they need to feel like its not their choice to have sex, that they are being forced into it. That's to satisfy their logical mind by saying, "well, I'm not a slut because I had no choice". This is different than rape, she wants you to have sex with her she just needs an excuse.

As for her not returning you calls. I'd say its because you've been too forward and sexual in the past. She's afraid if she comes back then you will continue to seduce her and at some point she'll want to submit. Her logic won't allow this. It's not that she doesn't like you, she's just afraid of SPAM her precious virginity before she feels she's met the perfect guy. Someone who will love her forever and ever and be good to her. You don't have to convince her you're the perfect guy, you just need to assure her you're not going to trick and/or force her into having sex with you(which of course you probably will but you can't let her foresee that).

If she hasn't said anything about that I think you should innitiate the conversation. She'll just be split with indecision and probably won't do anything unless you push her.

I'm sure you've probably noticed that she'll go absolutely crazy on you for a few seconds and then all of a sudden stop and start asking you really difficult questions about the nature of your relationship.( At least I've had that happen.) That's the emotions taking over for a few seconds and then her saying "wait a second, I'm giving myself away too early!" Then she stops and doesn't let you do anything.

Ok, wow, I've typed a lot here.

One more thing. Virgins want commitment from a guy more than any other kidn of woman(except maybe a pregnant one). She'll ask you what you're intentions are if she is considering having sex with you. She'll say something like, "do you love me, I mean really love me?" "are you in it for the long term?" "Do you want to marry me?" I never answer any of these questions with a yes or no. I say something like, "Why should I commit to you, I barely know you and you haven't given me anything. How can I give my self to you when you have yet to give yourself over to me?" and don't define what you mean by self any more than that. There is no point in having a logical discussion about your relationship.

Freezeouts I am not a big fan of either in this situation. She doesn't 100% want to have sex with you, laying off is just going to give her time to analyze the situation and put up new barriers. When we're under pressure, emotions take over. Usually when a girl resists my advances onto me, I tell her to do something for me. If she doesn't then I get mad at her and call her selfish. Sometimes the girl gets more turned on doing things to you than when you do things to her.

You have to really engineer a total emotional takeover to get her to have sex with you though. That's why I never managed.

Good luck my friend!

P.S.-I think a lot of guys are afraid that they'll hurt a virgin if they take what they want and leave. I don't think so, I dated a girl whom I was the second of and in my opinion, once you get past being a virgin you stop taking sex so seriously and stop setting your expectations so high. That's a good thing, it's what mature people do and I think, in the end, it will lead a girl to find a man she's truly happy with.

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"My notion of a wife at 40 is that a man should be able to change her, like a bank note, for two twenties." Warren Beatty

If a girl is a virgin past a certian age, she is very likely apprehensive about sex. You have to think, of all the offers she's probably had, she had rejected every single one of them.

From the sound of it, she wants to have sex with you, but that apprehension is kicking in. Pushing any harder will not work and I'll bet it's been tried before. Just wait for her to call you. You have to be on her mind considering the pleasure you gave her. It's only a matter of time unless she's totally freaked out.

To my opinion, at least if you live in Europe, most HOT girls are not virgins anymore after the age of 16. Laying an avarage to hot virgin girl at the age of 20 is imposible or like searching for the holy grail. I can't imagine an HB9 (or higher than 7) who's 20 and still virgin.

I don't know your age, but if you are still around that age and she is too, the best and easiest thing you can do is to start a LTR with a virgin girl. Younger girls are not into onenightstands because that makes them a slut and it's all new for them, so you should either be very good at PU or be a famous singer or actor.
But mostly when you manage to hook up with a hot younger girl you just have to hope that she is still virgin. After a month of relationship, her LMR shield will be dropped (because she is together with you in a relationship so it is appropriate) and she will be so horny (after all the make-outs on the bench it makes her wanting for more) and curious (some of her friends have done it, and now she has the opportunity), she will be open to sex.

That's how I've done it in the past. Anyway, maybe it might works on some older girls who are an exception to the rule.

But why making it so difficult with her while you can lay other hot, easier and more experienced girls?

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I enjoyed your erotics adventure story. good day sir.

I have texted her 3 days ago and we went for a movie. It was the same as the other 'dates'. I was very heavy on the kino but not like other times. I'm pretty much at the same level.

This girl never brings up the relationship questions, never questions the future.

Anyways the situation is the same, she stopped texting as if I have to work for it lol...

Still looking for approaches for virgin girls, because they are different.....

Great Post!

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Virgins are greatly overrated. I have had few but wouldn't reccommend it to anyone. They're shit in bed, nervous, often there is quite a bit of blood, they can only ever go for like 20 minutes at the most, and they are generally in pain so much that you can't really enjoy it.

Never be the first, never be the last.

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Virgins are greatly overrated. I have had few but wouldn't reccommend it to anyone. They're shit in bed, nervous, often there is quite a bit of blood, they can only ever go for like 20 minutes at the most, and they are generally in pain so much that you can't really enjoy it.

Never be the first, never be the last.

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Virgin girls are weird.... That you just noticed? LoL never read your story but talking from experience you want to stay clear of women who haven't been broken in yet.

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as much as i hate it, my game seems to work particularly well on V platers. it a serious pain in the ass!

but the way to do it is get them sexually curious. start flirting at a light level and keep getting dirtier until your a bit past what they find comfortable to talk about, then go back, start again. eventually whenever they think about sex, they think about you. make it seem like she could learn from you.

forgot to mention. the flirting has to be humorous and light hearted! they are one of the few people who actually believe that girls want a funny guy rather than a hot guy.