Hi all,
Well I'm a well studied "Pua" - if you could call it that. Basically I've done all the keyboard jockey stuff, open about 10 sets a night when im out using a variety of techniques, but every time there's major sticking points! Either I don't create attraction, dont get past the opener, jeez even last night I got a girl (through association with friends so not through my pua skills which seems half assed) in my bed and didnt even get any action (after freeze outs and all sorts).

It definitely does seem no matter how much I try, it never goes the right way! I've given up getting phone numbers because they flake so often and I was using it as an excuse to bomb a set early.

As I say I'm well studied, have good wings but it just doesnt work for me no matter how much i try!

What are people's suggestions? I'm feeling like a full on AFC!

Tell us exactly what you do once they're in your bed?

i dont know exactly what is it that you do wrong, but i think that one of your biggest problems is that you try too hard. try relaxing. make yourself comfortable around the target so she can be comfortable too.

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Well usually it's definitely on, then they say to stop, so I freeze out, show im not affected, then it's on... you get the drift! In the end it goes through this process so much I usually give up/pass out/fall asleep!
I know what you mean, but I've been told I come across quite well (although relaxing/confidence is my number one problem - i used to be really shy). But it does just seem like no matter what I do, I'll get to a point when I run out of things to say (anxiety goes up), attraction doesnt get created (anxiety goes up), basically every time something goes wrong which ruins the interaction and increases anxiety. Obviously it's something I'm not going to give up on (I have the image that once I do nail it every interaction would go well), but it's just working out what the sticking point is! :S[/quote]

ok. there is something that you should do. you can at some point just not saying anything. not when you feel she is bored, but to make yourself be the prize. let her try to get your attention. let her think about things to say. i know it sounds hursh and mabe a little hard to do, but its the best way and its easy. try it on the field. dont be affraid from silence for some time. it will get better and better as you will become more sure of yourself.

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well dude i think one thing you should do is apply more and learn more, if your getting anxiety which i did have at one point you need to chill out, really, see it as this okay, its not the end of the world if one thing doesnt go right, you need to not give a shit anymore, when you dont give a shit, the woman will. thats how it works. be the drug not the druggie. you dont need to get laid, you dont need this girl, theirs 1 billon others.

Again cheers for the advice, the main problem is definitely my anxiety and my lack of alpha-ness. I've come a long way already but its still so frustrating!

The thing is, it's more frustrating because I'm reading so much (almost daily) and sarging whenever I can, but still the fears and the mind blanks etc turn up! And what's worse are my non pua mates are getting more than me - which they love!