Come on guys,
lets get real here?!

I'm not gay but when i look at guys like Gambler,Adam Lyons, Tim from RSD and even the man himself Mystery, i cannot help but think they are fairly attractive men.
Hey they all have sick game and have scored many many women but in my opinion the initial attraction does happen based on the looks.I mean Gambler looks like such a mysterious guy i would wanna get to know him for sure and Adam just screams out 'genuine good guy to me'! If i can see this i wonder what is volting through ladies minds?

I would love to see some in-field footage of Pua's who arent what society labels 'Attractive or Hot'.

I'm still one hell of a newb at this PU (i don't even call it that...more like a transformation) and although ive seen some better responses from women im still not getting that far.I can give a prime example : Last weekend at a social we were chatting up some new friends we got introduced to and i had a 2 set completely intrigued by my stories and had them laughing.Now im average looking but my good bud who is an easy 8 strolls into the conversation and these fcking chicks almost act like i was not there 20 seconds ago.I mean i note everything my friend is doing when he walks in....all he said was hey to me and i introduced him but these chicks got that damn sparkle in thier eyes.immediately i know i was out...they were laughing at his lame conversation and he had no game.They were just eyeballing him non stop.I tried to recover and get back to the same level but once he was in the conversation they were hooked on him all the way....

I'm not gonna get negative but shit like that really dampens the spirit.I mean i had a 2 set going and hooked - i was doing negs and tons of kino and then BANG Mr Pitt walks in and just sucks up the attention cause of his fancy features.

So yeah im greatful for the community here and im learning everyday but can someone point me to the direction of a 'non atrractive' pua : id love to hear his side of the story

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Its time for a change....a huge Mother@#$@# change!

my thoughts exactly! i wanna see an mPUA that looks like John Merrick. is that so much to ask? it is? then how about John Candy? i mean, i believe this stuff works, 'cause i'm already getting better results, but i'd like to know if it would work for an impeccably peacocked, multi-chinned, obese man with tight game. is tight game a magic pill or a multivitamin?

i can think of a few things you maybe lacking

1. 1st problem the girls don't perceive you as enough of an asshole, you need to work on being more nonchalant and throwing out negs at your target.
you may be doing too much talking and story telling to the point it you become more of the funny friend vs the guy they want to have sex with. Your goal is to get your target away from the group as soon as there's an opportunity time is against you. Remember girls love jerks if you're a 5 in looks having a bad boy attitude makes up for it.


2. You need to get a lock in prop I find hats work best you can do a lot with them.
for instance put in on her head plain and simple to keep her there; make fun of her on how she looks, have her pose for you then make fun of her looks, press it down on her head pat her like she's a pet or mention something like don't you look cute ok give it back times up. Hats have limitless possibilities and there easy to take off and on.

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Reo going MM? that's new...



Anyway, girls HATE needyness like cats HATE water, it's an insta deal breaker (unless they have some kind of fear of abandonment), You are looking for reactions, while your friend is just spewing nonsense for the heck of it.

laidback vs. try hard.


I don't give a shit about my looks, I do fine when I don't do anything about my appearance, I do fine with doing something about appearance.

What I've noticed however though is that the really hot girls rather have an interesting guy than a goodlooking guy. It's more the insecure kind of girl that wants to have the hot boyfriend, so she can suck validation of him. Identity is the most precious thing to a woman. I don't want to go as far as "we seek that which completes us", but that's what it looks like in my opinion.

I've never been against negs. I am against talking too much about irrelevant topics and ppl never making a move on the girl, and since Mike is using MM I'm letting him know some of the things i used to do or still sometimes do like putting my hat on girls head.

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Ross Jeffries

Ross jeffries is a fucking old ugly man.
But he uses NLP and not pickup...