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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:05 pm 
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Upon reading loads of different material - I decided I'd compiled what fit me the most into a short little method. I do realize alot of different things might also work - but I decided since this has been working the best for me, since it's in coherence with who I am - this is what I'd focus my time on

It might look a little confusing to look at since it's only a small note that is created for me to quickly refresh the most basic knowledge - I believe the rest is best learned in field.

Body-language
Relaxed
Look into the eyes of the person you're speaking to - eases conversation
Smile - low genetic, shows optimism

Any approach - if possible smile and look into eyes before opening

Cold approach

Always open with comfort (C)
Mixed sets - go in via the guys (not trying to come on to someone, they'll let you

in)

Opener
Depending on situation

Social setting:
Pre-open - statement qualifier - "hey, you seem really friendly!" - "hey you guys

seem really friendly" - ask situational question, who they know - about the venue

w/e - introduce yourself - handshake
- move on (BR)
Getting back to them - ask how they're doing - transition into conversation

During a non-setup/setup setting
Add value!
Opener:
Observational - for example on their own - "why are you alone" or something about

the surroundings
Functional - you ask them something for info - or you try to help someone out
Compliment opener - compliment something they have invested in - their clothing

for example
If they seem bored - "hey you seem really friendly"
- Then introduce yourself
Group:
Open one person or only a few as normal - then invite others into conversation


Dependes on the situation - social intelligence

Warm approach - hey, how are you doing
Not knowing them that well - hey I've seen you before - refer to situation (C)
Often - statement then asking them will get them into the conversation

Transition:
Social setting - can go directly into getting to know them
Non-social setting:
Observational - situational
Ex:
Haven't seen you before - are you from around here?
So are you actually from around here?
So why are you all on your own?
Where are you heading


Conversational tactics:
First of, to add value - talk about their dreams, joys, ambitions - it's all about

them and talking about something they're interested in talking about
Comment on commonalities and or say when you think something is cool - suggest
doing something based on their interest (justifies seeing them again)
Use mostly statements when talking - creates conversational flow
Listen fully to what they are saying - then respond
Don't be afraid to follow the flow of the conversation - it must transition
Easy ways to add fun to the conversation (to be used with social intelligence):

Be a character
examples:
the devil on her shoulder - or inner voice
high maintenance woman
overly confident playboy
the victim of her seduction
Play her
Characters in that kind of genre

Roleplaying:
You're in a situation - she is pursuing you, youre in a relationship,
you're on a trip, shes your employee - whatever :)
Disqualification and making it look like she is hitting on you is good

Games:
Spontaneusly take something - a conversation - and turn it into a game.
Because it's fun - it opens up to a more interesting conversation

Also doing activities when possible is always good

Contact close:
You seem like a nice person - what would be the best way to get into contact with

you?

Text/phone game:
Same as usual - smileys are good :D
used to keep contact with people.
Text is less pressure than calling.
Less flaking:
Open ended interesting thing
ex: you wont believe what I've just seen

Day 2's:
Upon texting a little - making friends:
Something you have in common, suggest going to a low pressure place - removal of

dating frame
Best: invite them out with your friends (social proof) and suggest that they are

allowed to bring friends too - less pressure.
Then when they start being real close you can go for higher pressure options (one

of your places for example)

Social Proof - meet alot of girls - make friends, invite them out all together

Breaking rapport (BR)
Comfort has to be established
break some of the rapport, then re-establish it - to create comfort seeking

behaviour (investment)
Types:
Physical - ex: playfully push her away, make her do something
Teasing
Disqualification - ex: say you won't work out for X reason - say you like

something she hasn't got (hair color for example - something minor)
If you ever say something sexual - "your smile is sexy" - only do it in a small

manner - sex is such a taboo - will easily break
Teasing qualification statement - I bet you're the girl that: (somewhat dorky/fun

whatever personality trait)
Conversational silence -
When somewhat into conversation - stop the talk/if it stops - be comfortable with

it - and look at them, as if expecting them to say something (invest)

Qualification (Q)
Qualification statement:
Tell her something positive you like about her - chance is they will try to live

up to it

Hoops - they need to be somewhat invested already
Do they have X personality trait - sometimes a question, most of the time

statement - then follow of with medium - "oh really - why/why not?" - something

that requires them to think further about it.
Large qualification hoops - when fine with all the above
ask them about a certain choice - ask why they'd take that choice

Hoops works best on top of each other - so they don't seem that random

Sexual escalation
Kino -
Reflects the "phase" your in - also something that builds up
Comfort - small, quick touches on forearms shoulders - to prove a point -

non-sensitive low pressure
BR - playful touches, friend hugs
Q - reward - hugs, high-fives and so on - the more compliant, the more sexual they

can get
hugs around neck (if you can do this, kiss is pretty much possible)
When she is really compliant, physically close - sensitive places (alot of nerves,

blood flowing)
Talking about sex in general (low pressure)


Isolating:
When physically close, really compliant
Takes of pressure
Justify - I want to tell/show you something, let's go where it's more quiet -

something along those lines
Physically qualify into staying touch at neck - then triangular gazing (looking at

eyes and mouth - creates sexual tension) then kiss

S-close:
Escalate into
If staying over - setup two beds - just to take of pressure - say "nah, I'm not

going to sleep with you - I don't sleep with anyone on the first night - or

whatever - however I'm still going to tease you".
Physical push-pull

Dance floor game:
Compliment opener - let her show you moves
BR/Q - let her repeat your silly moves
Push-pull physically - escalate - use eyes and smile - it's all about body

language

Move accordingly between all these principles, guidelines

Beliefs:

Always seeking to help others out, adding value - thinking of everybody else

before yourself
Always reward compliant behaviour
Be someone who can lead, make decisions - but make sure everyone agrees
Have ambitions - always seek to improve upon yourself
If getting bad reaction - excuse - really bad: hope you have a good night/day
If someone acts in a rude way to you, in response to you acting in a nice way -

say you don't like it - and then continue to be friendly
Don't ever feel hate/anger - instead try to solve whatever problems there might be

in a friendly controlled manner
Don't be jealous - shows you haven't got enough - when you have more than enough
Don't lie - you're not trying to get something out of someone - better being

honest to everybody else and myself
Don't ever boast about yourself - keep it down - much better to over deliver
Not afraid of failure - take every situation as a lesson in learning - makes you

comfortable at any time, enables you to react in a rational manner
Only by meeting fear, getting out there - will you gain competence - that breeds

confidence
Incorporate flexibility - get out in the field and learn to be socially calibrated

- when alone think back on failures - what else could I have done
All this is in coherence with who I want to be and what I feel I can do while

staying true to myself
Move forwards quickly between principles - as soon as possible
Friendships and LTR - keep spiking attraction, being spontaneus - doing fun

activites
Read once a day to keep it fresh in mind - then get out there and do it!
The rest is best learned in-field
Wont ever try to prove myself - confident in who I am and seeking to become
Leadership - inviting and arraging social events, doing fun activities

spontaneusly - being charismatic - knowing your beliefs, staying true to what you

like and who you are
This is the most solid thing that also fits me - not everything can turn out as

you like it - and that is accepted

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Focus completely at task on your hands, and not at how you're coming of



Any comments, opinions and so on are welcome :D

Cheers, pnote
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:29 pm 
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Dude, you're really going to hate hearing this...

but the majority of all this theory, knowledge, and reading, is going to go waste!

The good news is...

It doesn't matter, and some parts of it are going to help you a little.



Now, I know you're going to like what I have to say next, as you remind me a lot of me. - I too once tried compiling together in my mind all the little bits and bobs here and there that seemed to 'fit' me.

I promise you, that if you stick to your path, trying to improve in this area of life this is going to happen...

Over a while, you're going to forget most of this theory crap as you naturally start doing the things that come natural to *you*. You're going to come to a point, where you genuinely forget most of this theory, yet you'll be getting results. When you try to think about how/what you're doing, you won't really know, and it will feel like you're not doing much.

You'll then come to realise the small parts of theory that actually relate to what you're doing. You'll then start having your own 'realisations' and understandings, that in a sense become your own little theories or 'ways' that you do things.

the only theory from external sources that will be most useful to you, is the extremely simple stuff.



A lot of the theory you're holding onto so dearly as 'this is what I will do' you will likely drop altogether. A lot of things you think/feel now about how you like to do things, will probably change a fair bit over several months.


So, good luck on your journey, bro. Don't worry so much about remembering/knowing theory. In a sense, it's best to not know so much.

You're carrying too much expectation and belief of what you think you like. As you grow, you'll likely have these preconceptions shattered,.


Love

~Finesse

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Good list, but the way to go. Is learn by doing, trial and error. And last keep it clean, smooth and natural ;).

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When you go out it's a good thing to analyze back, post reports on this forum so you can see whether you lived up to your expetations. In a few months/ a year you can see your progress.

Seeying that list, I fucked up a lot. :P

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Thanks so much for the responses guys :D
Much appreciated :D

@ Finesse - wow - that's a major response. Really cool :D thank you :D
I so feel like going out there and trying stuff out - trial and error :D
I sometimes feel like no matter what theory anybody was fed in the beginning - if any at all - that if they go out there and do approach they will learn. Most of my succes on both smaller and larger scales actually comes from just being in the moment and doing stuff - but I do occasionally find that the theory pops up or helps me structure things so that I dont completely freak out.
Be sure that I will post some field reports once in a while

Regards,
pnote
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Thanks so much for the responses guys :D
Much appreciated :D

@ Finesse - wow - that's a major response. Really cool :D thank you :D
I so feel like going out there and trying stuff out - trial and error :D
I sometimes feel like no matter what theory anybody was fed in the beginning - if any at all - that if they go out there and do approach they will learn. Most of my succes on both smaller and larger scales actually comes from just being in the moment and doing stuff - but I do occasionally find that the theory pops up or helps me structure things so that I dont completely freak out.
Be sure that I will post some field reports once in a while

Regards,
pnote
:D

Yeah, man. That's the good stuff. When a moment just happens to pop some theory into your head that would work perfectly. Is quite enjoyable.

I always end up preferring the girls I havent had to 'think' to get.

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