I was just thinking that no one really considers this, they always think about the number close, but I'm gonna mention an idea of something radically different. I remember reading David DeAngelo's stuff, and he mentioned how role reversal, when used right, could really be funny and build attraction. Things like "You can't just treat me like I'm a piece of meat. Men have feelings too you know."

I can't help but wonder if you opened all your sets the way you normally do, have fun, talk casually, blah blah blah. I wonder what would happen if you just said "You're cute, here's my number." and then left. Leave your number and name on a little piece of paper or something like that. You have just completely changed positions of 'chasing' her, and now given her the opportunity to be the predator.

Now some of you may say "But, what if she doesn't call? What if she throws it away or loses it and never sees it again?" I'd like to refer you to the mentality of a PUA. If she does not call you, it's her loss. You handed out your number to a million girls that night. Some are bound to call. Then when they call, YOU get to pick up the phone and be like "Jessica?" "No.. Karen." "Oh! Right, Karen. Blah blah blah I'm busy saturday, maybe sunday though. Call me again later tonight and we'll see." And let's not even forget that a lot of #closes turn into nothing anyways. I remember reading someone's post, and they said how they've gotten 80 #closes, 3 k-closes, and 1 f-close. Wouldn't you rather get at least that amount of results, but just sit back and relax?

The chances of these girls calling you are probably just about the same as them ignoring your phone calls, texts, or whatever. This is just me going off on a tangent, but I'd like to see what others think, and get some feedback, or even see some people field test it.

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You can do this yes, but a lot of PUA's and trainee want to be in charge, and call/text when they want, not have the woman doing it.

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I did this once, and honestly, looking back on it, I think it's probably one of the most pathetic things I've ever done. I feel like I completley devalued myself and gave up any power I had in that potential encounter.

It IS an interesting theory, the situation I gave my number out was a little different. I was in A college class with her, and had talked to her a few times. I finally asked her out, and she was very noncommital about it, so I was like here, here's my number, call me if you want to go out sometime.

This was years ago, but whenever I think about it, I'm like DAMN, what a LOSER move that was!

I just think women like a guy who is more take control and in charge, and getting thier number and making that first phone call is part of that. I genuinely think that women do not want to put alot of effort into any of this, they just want to sit back and be scooped up.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that most women are definitely more comfortable in the role of the persued than the persuer. Put the power in thier hands, and most of them will not want to put forth the effor to persue anything.

women take ur number instead of givin u there just so u would get off there "nuts" , dont bother with this method.

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de angelo said he picked up a girl by saying do u feel the power or go go power rangers or w/e crap, so u and him are not the same

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Umm, what? I didn't say you should give your number to a girl if you ask for hers and then she asks you for yours instead. That's a total failure and it's obvious that you've already messed up. I'm wondering about getting a girl totally interested into you, and then closing at the hype of the conversation, on your terms, with your number. The way I'm thinking about it is you're leaving the women with the numbers, because you're way too busy to even possibly call all the women's numbers that you get.

I'm very well aware that I'm not David DeAngelo, but obviously listening to what he says is the point of buying his material. And everyone knows that giving your number to a girl when she asks after you asked for hers and she didn't give it to you is a blowoff. I'm not talking about doing that.

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Never give it out. Do you realize how many AFC's give out there numbers to chicks? It's a needy move. If you want proof... ask the chicks your banging for their opinion on this. You'll quickly find out that even in the scenario you wrote... they don't call back!

My number is the prize. She only gets that after I finish picking up 10 other chicks that day and decide that I want to bang her first. I'm in charge, I decide who I talk to... not the other way around.

That makes sense. I was just thinking of it as a possibly interesting alternative. Nice to have y'all put it back into a good perspective of getting their number.

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Giving her your number is giving her control. Why would you want to do that?

The best way I found is to get them to give you their number in some way without asking for it and also in a way that they thought of it. With mobile phones number closes are easier than ever.

You say "I don't think I will ever see you again?"

HB "Don't say that, do you want my number?"

result!

If you do give them your number and they text you within a few hours you know your onto a winner.

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Not that it couldn't happen but I've yet to see a girl call after a guy giving them their number. My AFC friends try this all the time and I just laugh in the back of my mind thinking yeah good luck with that.

I think its situational.

Yes, as a general rule you should not give out your #. You want to leave with a more dominant frame, and in control of any future communication.

With that being said, its NOT AFC if she asks for your number. Not as a retaliation move, but because she put in a TC, or w.e. reason that seems natural. This doesn't mean that you can't also ask for hers, or tell her to call it right now to make sure it as right, or w.e.

Plus, like Medazzaland said, if she has your number and reaches out to you first, that is a definite IOI and its pretty much on from there.

Looking back at what I just typed, I don't really see how there is a situation for you NOt to get her #, unless she is just trying to get away from you. If she asks for it you can do the same thing girls do to guys and say let me get YOURS instead, OR have her call you there to make sure its right, or put it in her phone and call yourself, or w.e. So many opportunities that she will definitely respond to if she is interested.