I am ugly and I naturally love girls too much ever since i was little.
I'v always wanted a girlfriend and I have only had one (through msn game...which is not good since she would talk to me without seeing me in person).

Anyways, my face is bad, my height is small, and I am ugly.
I come to realize this even more because although I am ugly... I must have good game. I still attract girls, the shitty thing is that they are all ugly girls.. hb5 maybe hb6.

Why cant I attract hot girls...My friend is naturally good with girls, hes an alpha Male and i like to ask him advice.. he tells me that i shud lower my standards when ever we talk about igrls because i tell him that i dont like the girls (the girls that like me..) I get so pissed because its not fare that all the girls that he gets are atleast 6 and above. And me is always average to ugly.


Is it my looks thats holding me back or my game?
Can ugly guys get hot girls??

im 17 in highschool and wish that god made me look like a model.

Don't let you looks hold you back. Most women prefer a guy with a great personality than super model looks. That's speaking from experience since that's one of my favorite openers and I am in no way a super model looking guy but I do pretty well with women. If you go in with the mentality that you're ugly and don't deserve beautiful women, that's exactly what you'll get. Work on your game. Find a way to add value to a woman's life and she'll want you around all the time.

Good luck. Stick with it.

Mr Orange is pretty much right. I'm 16 and I'm in highschool too. I think some of it does have to do with looks to be completely honest but thats only with 10s. If you have solid game you can still get decent girls.

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Nothing in pick up applies to all women. There's no such thing as rejection... they're just playing hard to get.

I see ridiculously HOT girls with 'ugly guys' ALL THE TIME! Unless the girl is completely shallow I absolutely believe a below average looking guy can score a beautiful chick. It's all about confidence and how well you play your game!

IMO, I think I look pretty decent and I once lost a hot girl I used to like to a guy who's seriously way uglier than me. He somehow managed to get her completely obsessed with him! But it gave me hope for other girls!

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Some people are like slinkys, not really good for anything but make you smile when you push them down the stairs.

i work in a restaraunt full of 9's and 10's and half of them have boyrfriends. some are hot some are ugly some are normal. attraction is more than looks.

So what do I do? How do I get these hb6's and 7's.

I dont mind dating a girl who is atleast pretty good looking who has a good personality.

I feel that most of the girls I talk to look at me like a joke. They jokingly make fun of me, (its like they neg me...). Is that the wrong way to go with girls? It must be my personality.. I'm like the funny person not serious person when talkin to girls. Could this be whats giving me bad results?

How do I get good with girls... is it just by going and talkin to them.. keep getting experience, keep trying and i will eventually get better from trial and error?


give me some tips...

In response to the second paragraph: There is no substitute for real world experience. I avoided this fact for a while because I wanted to try to get better just from reading/watching stuff so I wouldn't be embarrassed the first time I tried, but with that perfectionist mentality you'll never actually do anything. You will fail, a lot, but going out and talking to people is the only way to get past it. Go do the newbie mission if you haven't yet.

Which leads me into my response to the first paragraph: If you feel like they think of you as a joke you will unwittingly communicate that and kill your own chances. Looks are nothing, confidence is everything. Whatever you have to do to make yourself believe that they'll take you seriously, that's the first step.

Less good lookers can get the good lookers, although it's harder. Attraction at first sight is key, I don't care. If a woman thinks your good looking, your at an advantage already, then if you can work your game you'll be in a superb position.

If your not a hunk, then your game's going to have to be that little bit more solid.

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I think it's kinda fucked your friend would suggest lowering your standards. But thats just me. Im 5'3, have a limp and a year ago I HATED my life like a disease. And I felt like that through HS because I never found this community and worked on my skills and wrote success with women off as, "You just have to naturally be good, thats not for me."

Even feeling like this, there were great girls ranging from 5-9 that showed interest in me despite the problem that I blew up to ENORMOUS amounts in my mind that I thought would stop me from ever touching a woman.

You have a great thing that I didnt have back then and that was the knowledge about PUA and in general dealing with women via this forum. Read up on all of this bud and study, I know exactly where your coming from about wanting to get the most beautiful women but I honestly believe that stems from wanting to be accepted by someone who is superior (In your mind) because that gives you a certain gratification and meaning. There is nothing wrong with going out with women who may not be the hottest on the planet but they are women and they will give you the experience you need to become a better you.

You want results right away but my friend, that takes work. Use the opportunities you have now and take advantage of them to become a better you and keep working at it. Those insecurities you have will literally MELT away and a new you will be able to game with the best of them. My insecurities are nearly non-existant now and im continuing to strive to improve every day because....thats all we can ever do. Noone can change your looks or make you taller but you can work with what you got.

Essentially, I am telling you to broaden your horizons with women and get used to many different interactions with them and dont be hung up on a number rating. I've known some amazing women who, if I didnt follow this way of thinking, I'd have written off and never had the pleasure of knowing.

Looks don't matter to girls like their looks matter to us. If you're confident than you can get hb10's. I'm not joking here. You just have to realize that girls want LEADERS. You're supposed to be the dominant one, 'cause you're a man.

Hello again, I know I posted something similar in a previous thread of your's.. But it is even more relevant now.

Of course ugly guys can get hot girls... Example... Mystery.. Ugly motherfucker... Tall.. but ugly.. another example, the PUA guru on DD's stuff.. Shawn, the 3'1 dwarf.

My point is however.. It's all about FEELING attractive and being CONFIDENT. If you have this poor view of yourself, that more than anything holds you back.

So the best way to not worry about your looks, is to always look your best at all times. If you're just going out blah blah, you are going to feel worse about yourself.

SO... HOW?

There are 2 kinds of physical appearance... Uncontrollables, and controllables.

An uncontrollable is something like your frame size, height, your facial bone structure.. or your kind of hair.. You can't change it..

But what you can change is everything else about your appearance. I truly believe that every GUY who isn't hugely fat, who works at his image, to look HIS best at his potential, is totally fuckable by even 10's.

so for instance...

You cant help your particular body frame, but you CAN control how often you work out, and what physical condition you are in.

You CAN'T control what your face looks like, but you CAN make sure it's clean, acne free, and your hair is styled to perfection.

You CAN control what kind of clothes you wear, how well they fit, how in style they are, and how matched they are..

You MAY not have a bunch of money for braces, or to fix your teeth. but you CAN for sure keep them clean and pearly white.

You get the picture?

If you can get ALL of your controllable's to ABSOLUTE maximum potential.. You will find.. that you FEEL better about your looks, and it will come off as MUCH more confident in your game.

Looks are merely a first impression, girls will at FIRST sight give a more attractive guy the time of day. but if you've engaged a girl. looks don't matter much.

So do that one day before you go out.. Take a huge shower, shave, wash your face, brush your teeth, style your hair, if you normally don't do your hair, do something new. ask a friend, or a girlfriend, or a hair stylist. Look in fashion magazines, and find something that looks cool.. then go to a jc penny's or khols, or a thrift shop, and try to recreate it.

Try something new physically, and keep experimenting.


I highly suggest continuing to work on your inner game, and become more confident from within.

Good luck

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search something called the handsome factor by mark belmont its around 50 bucks but it will teach you how to be good looking with any genetics. You say your face is bad then make it as clear as you can (no acne) and get a haircut according to your facial type. Its all about the haircut man even a great looking guy with a bad haircut looks like a loser. If your extremely disatisfied with your looks even after you can try and get small plastic surgery procedures done like rhinoplasty but definately dont go for the facial surgeries or youl be the next carrottop or whoever else fucked up. Your looks can be worked on just like anything in this world short? wear pads in your shoes work out youll look bigger still short? take growth hormones for a bit. Look at some celebrity examples eminem before and now lil jon and the guy from american idol.

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The list goes on and on but PUA's are not usually that attractive in a stereotypical sense.

think about it this way....SOMETHING had to turn these people all onto the Art of PUA. For alot of them, it was looks which stems lack of self-confidence.

Alright I have to throw in my two cents. Good news and bad news! The bad news is yes looks do matter! The good news is that looks are more than just your physical appearance. I don't believe there is a man alive that can't bring up his status a couple of points just by the way he dresses. Work on your confidence and inner game. Then learn to dress in a fashionable way that works for you and you could go from a 5 to a 7 easy. So don't worry because there is plenty you can do to appear much more attractive to women.