OK I went out with my wing and we met 2 girls at a concert at someone's house. Keeping it short, the girl I was interested in was extremely into me by the end of the night and she was all over me, flirting like crazy, laughing at everything I said, etc etc.

I was sloppy on the k-close that night, well the first k-close, but I quickly reframed and said that this was to be a growing experience and I should quit getting down about it and see how good I am at turning it around. So I did this, and the rest of the night went well. I k-closed again when she dropped me off, and that also went much better. Check.

After that night, I chatted a bit via text and FB/AIM, but she didn't seem all that enthusiastic. I think my wing mentioned that the age difference was an issue for her.... (basically I'm 24 shes 21, personally I think shes being ridiculous, but whatever). I invited her out a couple times and she's been busy, and that's fine but the thing that caught my attention was she didn't say "but let's do it [this day] or [another day]".

Today I talked to her friend, invited them to come to my pool and swim in 2 days, and she (my target, not her friend) said her cousins are coming into town and she can't on that day.... and that she doesn't like being in a bathing suit because of some bad past experience where her top fell down.

Ok so wtf. My problem is this: I don't know if I should be persistent, because she was SO incredibly into me the night we met, or if I should say fuck it and not try anymore. Something doesn't feel right, and its probably the age thing, but the fact that she doesn't just say that is really pissing me off. Pretty soon I want to quit wasting my time and effort, but keep in mind I am very serious about learning too so I don't want to throw away opportunities for practicing closing.

hand out with the same crowd she hangs out with and if they talk to your target about how fun you are how she missed out she might come back.

I decided that I'm not going to try to pull her in anymore... I used to be persistent and slightly impatient, and I think that's bad. I tried and its not working so that's over. Girls are so fucking stupid sometimes... I remember watching ultimate natural game, and one of the guys talks about how there is a guide for women to attract men, and one of their suggestions is to not talk to the guy at all..... what the fuck kind of advice is that, lol.

donkrx:

By reaching out to her on so many different mediums, txt-fb-aim, and asking her multiple times to hang out, you are being needy.

Coming off as needy and desperate is a big turnoff and a tell tale sign of an AFC.

Often times, girls have 'buyer's remorse' the next day. After the first attempt to set up a day 2, you could simply say something like: That's cool. Come talk to me when you want to hang out; leading you into ignoring her until she responds the way you want her to.

Doing anything else, like asking her out multiple times after she puts up excuses, is you coming off as needy.

I know....thanks.

But to clarify, I've talked to her via text twice and online once (which was FB and then we switched to AIM). I waited like 2 weeks before talking to her at all again after the first time I tried to do something with her. This time I just said "well get back to me with something you don't have a bad experience with" but I decided if she does get back to me I'm not doing it; I'll say I cant because I decided to do something else. I'm not gonna deal with that kind bullshit behavior, there are more girls and I've been getting a good amount of interest and numbers since getting into this so I'll be ok.

I've appeared too needy as you said, despite that I'm not even all that interested, which is really stupid. But I understand how to not do that next time.