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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:42 pm 
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Guys, the more I learn about pua, the more I overcomplicate it. Like are you supposed to ever have a regular convo with a girl, or are you always trying to attract, qualify, comfort, etc?? I get confused, let's say your talking to a friend on msn, can you just talk about random things, or are you always supposed to follow the escalation ladder? And can you just have a regular convo, and maybe add in a little attraction, then later, maybe some qualification, and so on? I'm also talking about when you're on a date with a girl, because some times, it's hard to stay with someone for like 3 hours, and just try to attract, qualify, comfort, seduce...


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:56 am 
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The thing is that once we get into seduction, if you want to be great your gonna over analyze and over complicate your interactions in the beginning because your seeing a world of possibilities.
The most important thing is to understand frame control when interacting with girls.She wants you to have a strong frame. You don't need to have scripts i recommend talking points to introduce as new threads during a conversation to keep it going in case any silence arises ( which is also a good indicator of repoire does it get awkward does she reinitiate conversation IE SOOOO or is she comfortable with silence which can be even better depending on body language)

If you understand frame control you won't diminish attraction by jumping through her hoops. Shit test are great once you learn how to pass them you can then see an attraction trigger go off in her body language (which you may not notice now)

You must always remember: to NEVER ENGAGE IN NEEDY BEHAVIOR! Accept abundance and realize that you are operating on a learning curve so if you lose some girls while experimenting and microcalibrating to your specific identity so be it it's a part of the game.

I would try to keep my 1st dates to 90mins or less, do qualifying tell her what traits you like and ask if she 's like that you need to screen well, at the 1st venue then bounce later if it's going well .She needs to be invested in your interactions and EARN!!!Your time and more attention.If your going to do DHV's limit them you don't want to come off as try hard "amusement man syndrome" going from palm read to magic tricks...Say something observational that conveys social intelligence that's a DHV too
Hope this is helpful :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:18 am 
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Get rid of the baggage.

Seriously, you admit yourself that you think too much. Don't think too much. It's as simple as that.

Drop all the stuff you're doing. Just have normal conversations. Then, slowly, one thing at a time, practice it in conversation until it's natural and you don't think about it. Then do the same with other stuff. Rinse and repeat until you don't have to think.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:52 am 
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seriously, you dont need to follow this stuff too intensely. if you really do your research, comfort is having normal conversation. these things are guide lines for you to think about, and incorporate into your normal conversation. like dhv's are just entertaining stories to throw into a chat, not the A3 or whatever, just a story.

dont get me wrong, if you are really that AFC that you need to follow these guidelines like they are the words passed from God to Moses, studying is important, but vast majority of guys that are here dont need that. i bet you that you dont need it that extent either.

one of the best advice that i have gotten from this stuff is to just relax and have fun with it. there is no need to overthink or put big expectations on yourself everytime you interact with a girl. go out, laugh and enjoy yourself, and if you neg a girl, dhv, and all that other stuff while enjoying yourself, congrats. that means that youre going to be rolling in ladies before you know it. good luck


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