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does the opener work? has anyone tried it? i want to but i'm looking for some tips or hints about performing it

Apocalypse opener: High/ instant profit= high risk

When you enter the set, the girls will " pre- scann " you before you can say a word. So what is important here? Its your outer frame ( bodylanguage+ vocal dominance ). Why? Because you are saying that she should make her choise right there right now. This doesent leave any space for her to get to know you from the inside so this pretty much relyes on your outer essence.
Over all, if you dont embrace a good solid dominant frame ( bodylanguage+ voice tonality ) than take cover. If you do, than try it!
Btw, when im talking about dominance i dont mean physically dominant. Im talking about your mind set. Thats what should be dominant. Your state of mind...

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how do i know if i have those traits? i'm pretty sure i have it. have you ever gave it a go?

If you think you do then you probably don't.

If you want to give it a shot, then travel a bit (doesn't need to be far, just a few hours away maybe) and go for it. You'll be away from your town so there is little to loose by trying it there.

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Im wanting to try it but it sounds a scary line to say

I wouldn't try this... comfort level is important... you realize your putting your tongue inside the girls mouth..right?? It might work with slam pigs at a frat party who are like 18/19 who aren't fully physically/mentally/emotionally developed yet.. but if you want an HB8+ (that won't vomit on your bed) who'll probably have 6 guys (that they actually know) calling them after the venue closes, then you need real game.

I would do the "come home with me" part to break the ice,but i wouldn't make out right away.. you also need to know what the girls deal is.. she might have a boyfriend who's there!!

what B is forgetting to say is that girls check out how strong your reality is afterwards.

so STAY with the tension.

Even if you look a bit unsteady, just a tad off. you'll be making alot right by staying with the tension. don't say anything, look her in the eyes and smile (not a goofy smile, don't try to hide behind anything). And it will work.

A good pre-scan gets validated by how strong your reality is. Strong reality gets defined if you can stay with the tension longer than the girl.



High risk/High reward.

This is the part I will NEVER understand about PU. What's the risk? What's the worst F'ing thing that can happen here? A girl replies, "no", "You're an idiot", "Get the fuck outta here", "Who do you think you are", "that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard", etc, etc, etc . .

PUA: Oh my God! My heart! My heart! You shattered it into pieces! The risk! I will never shock and awe and pick up, neg, open, close, routine, monkey dance this shit ever again! Wahhhhhh! I want my mommy now!

First off . . . All of this is a fucking joke. A "risk" is betting your fucking house on a new business. A "risk" is scuba diving without a buddy. A "risk" is a picking a fight with a guy twice your size with a fist the size of your head.

Guys . . . there is NO RISK in "chatting" with chicks. Go ahead and take one night out to just be an idiot. Go out and tell all the girls, "I am Bungholio. I will lick your bungholio. I am a super pervert crazy dweeby. You will comply. My alien race will dominate your kind." ---- (What ever the fuck you can think of . . . .)

NOTHING HAPPENS. NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING. Nobody gives a fuck.

So no matter what your game is . . . take the "risk factor" and toss it out the window.

In regards to the shock and awe. . . . I"m not a big fan of yanking girls out of a bar as soon as possible but here's my experience with the shock and awe.

field-report-on-the-apocalypse-opener-v ... =shock+awe

AHHH APACALYPSE! IT SOUNDS SCARY

Edited for seriousness: I think that this has its strengths and weaknesses like any other 'tactic' but I honestly think that it wouldn't work as well as this man puts it out to be. I'm sure you could get the whole "wow, i can't believe he said that" reaction in a good way, but i dont think you're gonna k-close immediately because of it

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Yeah Jav, good point! I did forget that :/

Kasabi: You are right, you dont loose a thing even if she rejects you and it shouldnt be something to be affraid of. But what i mean by risk is the amount of times you might get rejected.
If you compare two guys in the club. One who openes 3 sets by useing indirect ( just to demostrate my point ) and apocalypse style ( the other high end ) than IMO there is a higher chance to get rejected if you do that apocalypse opener. No, i dont say that you shouldnt use it if they reject you because yes, you dont loose a thing. That was my point when talking about risk. Not the consequences but the amount of times you may face the rejection.

[ Johnny B ]

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I tried a milder version.. lets say Nagasaki... this weekend
Went up to a HB9 and asked her if she wanted to make out.. no hello or anything.. just "hey I got a serious question.. You wanna makeout"

She politely declined..
"No problem.. its all good" I said with a smile on my face and turned and took 2 steps before she grabbed my arm and held out her hand to show me the engagement rock on her finger (I wouldn't have tried this had I seen that first).
I apologized for missing the ring and wished her a pleasant night.

Key point being.. She actually stopped me after she had shut me down to explain why she shut me down.. that dosen't seem normal unless she was/would have been receptive to going for it right then and there naturally..
Least thats my theory.. any insight as this was only on my second night ever sarging so this is all new to me.

i'm gunna put it in my list of openers to try. i have no emotion if i get shut down my theory that i keep in mind is..."What a story this will be to tell the guys" it's how i always think. but i think the yuhkkazis opener is a little more INTENSE at least with the apocalypse opener you can go into a conversation. but how would you rebound from your opener in other ways? what were you thinking before you opened that girl?

LoL.. no clue really.. it was a trial by fire and play it by ear essentially.
I went in figuring I would get shot down and fully expecting to.. but it was such a mild and easygoing shoot that I was cool with it..
Realize this was on a dance floor and she was dancing next to 2 douches.. and it just now occurs to me that 1 of them may have been the fiance.. lol

roughly what age group? i'm 19 but i tend to play with my age because i like to pretend i'm older (and i get away with it). do you think the chances are better if i use this opener on girls around my age? probably not but im just talking out loud

Ok this is the second topic I see about this so Ill throw in my 2 cents.

- Would you have success with a girl?
- Maybe, but probably not. Even the biggest slut, would rather go home with a guy who she's known for a cpl of hours rather than a complete stranger.


- What success would u have?
- A girl that is going home with the first guy that asks her to, is probably:
a) Not worth it.
b) Not going to develop feelings for you
c) There is literally nothing accomplished. You aren't practicing. Your game is not getting better.
d) In all regards it will not bet better than fucking a HB6 you know u can fuck, a hooker or masturbating.


So taking all this into account I'll say stop the bull-crap.

PS: As for the risk involved I partially disagree. If smb asked that to my serious gf, there would be risk involved.