I've slowly built a friendship (for lack of a better word) with a girl in my class the past couple of months. When I found out about the game, I started teasing/negging her a lot...(she's an HB9-10). So now we banter back in forth in class, and tease each other constantly..almost like she's my kid sister. I haven't asked her out yet (I don't want to do it in front of our group of friends), but I notice she looks at me, and when I look at her she always is the first to look away. So anyway...a few weeks ago she suggested we split up a project and do half and half. I got her number but just started texting her recently...unfortunately, no matter how hard I try, I can't steer the conversation AWAY from class....here's our longest text convo...let me know what you guys think..

Me:Are you going to that thing for class tomorrow night?
Her: Ugh we have to don't we?
M: Well, we don't *have* to lol but I'll be damned if it's just gonna be me and John
H: Have you talked to anyone else?
M: Ryan and Lisa are going for sure, but she makes me uncomfortable. Not sure about Paul, etc.
H: If I went I would have to leave after like 40 min
M: You're the lamest girl I've ever met
H: What why?
M:Well leaving me with those two for one!
H: Sorry!
H: Can you do me a big favor and send me the dialogue for the test?
M:Well I would if I had it aha
H:You suck!
M: No, you love me
H: Nope. Not at all
M: Well then my friend, you suck! Email me if you get it
H:I don't have anyone elses number and I don't have facebook so you gotta send it to me
M: No more fb? Yeah you're lame...I'll see what I can do.
H: Sweet!

---END CONVO---


GRRRRR! I try to tease/flirt/etc., but she won't take the bait. She isn't like this in real life....she's sarcastic and playful around me. Should I take this as a sign she isn't interested? Where did I go wrong?

I think youre doing ok....
Dude I think she def is interested in you but you need to turn it sexual, quickly.

Based on your dialogue it seems you guys have a cocky banter going and initially she may be resistant to the sexual banter as she seems to be a bit of a hard ass. One way or another it needs to go sexual very soon else you're going to be caught in 'study buddy' zone (hey thats a new one).

Lets say she says she is studying and says she will chat to you later...

Something i use quite often is to tell a girl is something like... 'just one word of advice, youre going to seriously have to stop fantasizing about me while youre TRYING to study if you ever want to pass your grades'.

or set a comment up strategically to introduce it...

You: 'hey, we should get together and do a final review of our project to make sure we've got everything covered from your side and mine.'

Her: 'yeah we could do that'

You: 'only if you promise not to take advantage of me when i get yo your place!'

i mean there are a million and one thigns you can say, and she may be little resistant to it initially but she'll ease up to it if shes interested in you. once you have that sexual vibe going, you will not be reviewing any project my friend, you will be reviewing something 'else'.

I only see her twice a week, and when I do we're around a large group of friends...I don't want to turn it sexual in front of them...that'd just be awkward for both of us. Can I turn it sexual through text? I'm trying to find a way to get her alone (on a date, etc.).

I'm still in AFC-land, but I'd say it's been too long and that you're already in the friend zone. You may have a chance to change it, but if it was me, I wouldn't bother. Instead, see this as an opportunity: Continue to cultivate your friendship with this dame, and use her as a springboard to allow her to introduce you to her friends. After all, HBs tend to stick together, so having her as a TRUE friend is an easy introduction, plus an instant DHV. Thoughts?

Good idea! If nothing else, I can use her to meet other women...I'm just getting into the game myself, and I'm about to do the noobie mission with a mate soon. I figure I'll only go into the first dozen sets looking ONLY for friends...if I approach nothing but HB10s, a couple will probably call back and want to hangout. From there I can meet their friends and...

***UPDATE****

OK so after not replying last night, she sent me a text about an hour ago...

H: We should go get a beer before this stupid thing tonight (GOOD SIGN, no?)
M: Maybe. You know me...one beer is all it takes, I don't want you taking advantage of me now (kudos to Vision for that line)
H: Shut up youre stupid
M: Haha you owe me a beer anyway, I just sent you the assignment. I like Heineken.
H: Thanks! But we are totally even now! I dont owe you anything

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It seems like she's opening up. So now here's my question if anyone can answer before I meet up with her to get a beer....how should I act?! Still be cocky/funny? I'll do some Kino tonight...but as far as seduction/sexual tension goes, I'm still an AFC....(I've yet to even kiss a girl...)...I've read "The Venusian artist handbook", but I'm still a little confused on the M3 theory...I'm past the attraction I think, now I just need to make her comfortable...but how?

Now we're talking! Good work.

Dude she is a hard ass by the looks of it but she def interested.
Her asking you to go for a beer is awesome. She wants to see you in private, take it for what it is, its good news! (you didnt even have to isolate, she did all the work!)

Dont change the way youre acting when you see her, tease her etc but dont over do it, just do what youve done so far to attract her. Then after a bit pf play you can start going into more of a rapport/comfort state where she really opens up. You can see this chick has a brick wall of note around her. Ask questions and be genuinely interested in other area's of her life, family, her dog, her favorite food, her most embarrassing moments etc etc (dont make it an interview, make the convo flow naturally). Just dont think too much about how you should 'act', youre doing just fine the way you are. Keep us posted.

Haha not so fast vision. I waited about an hour, and then texted her saying I'd be in town around 6 (I commute to college). Well, she never replied! In most cases I'd say freeze her out, but she's the type of girl who WON'T text you first.

So now I'm thinking about flirting with other girls in class, and giving her the cold shoulder when she tries to butt in? Or would this show that I'm upset about the situation....


Then again, it might be easier to just let this one go and practice on a random stranger.

Why would she be unwilling to text first?? Unless she has some strange sort of social anxiety or she's gaming you as well it would logical for her to take the open the convo as well from time to time.

We've had text convos maybe 3 times, and all 3 were initiated by me.....very professional, asking questions about class, etc. All three eventually die after about 4-5 sentences, with me being the last one to test....This latest convo is the longest one we've had (and also the first convo since learning about PUA).

I'm gonna skip her and move on, she's wasting my time lol

Thats's one of the advices i copied to my notebook from articles for your date (if you get one with her) it also applies talking on phone.


end EVERYTHING first, make sure you end it when its at its peak!!!
If your on the phone with a girl and your making her laugh and giggle, she's obviously
enjoying the conversation. Well end it there!!!! Because when you guys get off the phone,
she'll be thinking about you the rest of the day. Same goes for get togethers,
make them want more.


Lets say youre going for that beer she asked you. You guys having fun, talking about stuff , she's laughing and suddenly you finish your beer and go like "Well i have to run now, i promised to meet my buddies" if she goes like "Oh, but can't you stay, were having such a good time?" don't give up there ! Be a man. "got to keep my word, my buddies are waiting for me, i'll see you some next time"


If you guys had really good time at this date, and you ended it at it's peak, she will naturally want more of that good time. Besides you were being a man not a wussy, by giving up and staying with her just because she asked you. Thats attractive in a way.

yup i jumped the gun indeed...didnt think there was much chance of a flake as she is going to the same gathering as you after the drink and she would look like a fool to stand you up or turn you down.

This may not be the reason she didnt reply, but your text should have encouraged a reply...ie. 'ill be in town at 6, meet at the x bar?'

No dont give her the cold shoulder at all. Act like you are not effected at all but do casually ask what happened to the drink as she never replied. it was indecent of her to reply anyway as you guys were not going on a date as such, it was a side line drink before an 'event' that you both had to be at.

If you keep quite about her not replying and ditching the drink, she'll think youre a push over. Dont make a big fuzz about it, just casually mention it.

I wouldnt give up yet....just punish her by giving her less attention and if she is keen she will initiate.

A lot of girls think that by default guys need to make the move, which includes initiating communication. Once she is comfortable with you and if she is interested, she will (in a lot of cases) start initiating the convo as she knows that if she sits back for too long it will give you the impression that shes not interested and you will move on, and she will lose out.

Yeah, I get that. But at the point where Czar is right now. It looks like she already has shown interest. At this point she should start to realize she has to get more in there, no?

There could be a million and one reasons why she flaked. Also, just because she gave an IOI (asking him to go for a drink) does not mean that all of a sudden she is going to start putting in a lot effort.

Most girls just have natural game built into them which is why they confuse the fuck out of inexperienced guys in general. As you can see this girl has already confused the crap out of Czar87 (and you) which just makes her even more of a challenge, and she knows this.

anyway im interested to know the outcome of this Czar87. would like to know her response to flaking on you. It could be a completely fair reason.

Well, she wasn't in class the next day, and I haven't texted her anything...with only 2 weeks left in the school year, I think I'll call it quits and move on. Thanks for all the help though guys, I'll definitely use it for my future gaming