I have a friend I've known for about 20 years. He's a decent guy, but he's got a long history of disloyalty (cheating on girls, putting personal desires before friends, etc). He's a very good looking guy with a generally agreeable personality. Let's call him "D."

Recently, "D" and I have been going out to bars and clubs. He rarely approaches anyone- if he talks to anyone, it's usually girls that I've approached first. Sometimes, it's girls that I've been talking to for a while. Sometimes it's girls that I had feelings for.

Here's an example. Me, "D" and some friends are out one night at a bar with very few cute girls (not my choice, but there we are). We complain about the selection a bit, but then me and another guy in the group decide to take a lap and make the best of it. I find this gorgeous girl (cutest girl in the place) with another heavy friend. We approach them, and before long, I'm talking to the cute girl, hands interlocked, connecting, and everything appears to be going great.

In walks "D." He sits close to us and watches. He interjects in our conversation, which up until he walked in was a 2-way. My interaction with the girl went like this: knowing I could seal it with her, to realizing she could go either way with me or "D," to her being interested in "D." (On a side note, nothing "D" says is truthful or sincere, but at this point only I know that). Long story short, he gets the girl. I would have had her if he wasn't there.

So I got robbed by my friend. Clearly he's better than me at something, but that's not what I'm trying to figure out. What I want to know is SHOULD I KEEP HANGING OUT WITH THIS GUY???

I've known him since elementary school, so it's kind of hard to just walk away. My other friends meet tons of girls, but somehow they're not trying to pull the exact same girl I'm working on. With him, he always finds a way to work on the same girl I'm working on. It's particularly annoying because it's usually someone I had the balls to approach first. Tried talking to him, but he gave me some B.S. about "girls make their choices." The guy is stepping on my toes, straight up.

How should I handle this situation? Any advice?

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"He who makes an idiot of himself gets rid of the pain of being a genius."

when i go out we have strict rules that you are not allowed to game a girl your mate is with, sometimes to the point if its accidental he will DLV himself to get out her attraction zone, there are millions of girls out there dont let him reap the rewards of your hard work with his fake game

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'Nothing is impossible to a willing mind'

This is just an issue of respect. Does he respect you? Because a wingman should never steal another wing's target... ever. I would talk to him about it. Don't seem too bothered but let him know what's up and if he continues then you might not go out with him again

that guy sounds like a wank to be honest

take him out with you one more and every set you go into heavy DLV him so if he approaches he aint got a chance

that shit he pulled needs punished dude

That was one solution I came up, but that sounds like a delicate operation. I might end up making myself sound like an ass. For example, should I just be like, "...oh give it a rest. You've said that to every girl you met tonight!" Or should I be like, "yeah, if only didn't cheat on every single girlfriend you've had!" How can I destroy his competition without destroying myself?

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"He who makes an idiot of himself gets rid of the pain of being a genius."

I have a very similar friend. We were discussing this the other night, it turns out that he pulls far more often when he's out with me, but I have NEVER pulled on a night out with him.

My solution, was to just stop sarging with the guy

If in your case you can't stop sarging with him (social groups etc)

As you say it's delicate.

I'd suggest that when he next crashes on of your sets. A little light teasing of him and (this is important) try and make it look like you aren't into the girl.

Eg. Say to her - "Ohh you are going to love this, my man here is SMOOOOOOTH"
and then look at him expectantly.

or say to him (if you are negging the girl)
"Man, you really don't want to be going here, this girl is frickin nuts! Seriously I am saving you from her"

Amog him I guess.

do it before he gets the chance to get in set with you tell funny stories as if your trying to DHV him but actually DLV him make him sound like a creepy player

So that's AMOGging someone? I think it's good advice for this situation. My ideal goal would be to keep this guy as a friend, but not have him snatch up every girl I talk to. I'll give it a shot next time I see him. Thanks!

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"He who makes an idiot of himself gets rid of the pain of being a genius."

DLV him before he enters the group, like Mrmonk said.

Use stories /routines where you use his name, and then when he enters you make sure the girls know he is the guy you were talking about.

Something like "oh I got this friend, 'D', and one time he did blablabla DLV DLV"..

then when 'D' enters you go like "Hey D, what's up? let me introduce you to the girls" "girls, this is D.. you know the guy from *insert DLV story*"


Actually just like being a wing, but DLV instead of DHV the guy. That way he will already have a lower value before he got a chance to proof himself to the girls.

Also try to isolate the girl from D. Get a drink when D already has one for example.

Easy. He is better looking and that's why the girl chooses him.
You are a fun guy to talk to, to warm up, but he gets laid. The girls use you as i bridge to get to D.

He is right, that the choice is up to girl. If you don't want him to steal your spotlight, don't go out with him.

Wow, push kid man is a bit of an arsehole isnt he.

personally i would talk to him about mutual respect.. he is not respecting you. this needs to be talked about,

i would also use dlv stories to set him up as lower value. if he wants to play like a dick u can too..

i go out with guys from my lair. im still bot too good at cold approaches and they help me a lot. there encouraging and i have made some real goofs and all i get is well done and u went up this is what to work on....

this boils down to respect for me.

Hank

Ask yourself this: Is he your friend of 20 years, or is he your friend from 20 years ago?

As the people before me have stated that is more than likly than a respect issue. rather than allowing your space he put himself before you in order to satisfy his wants. This does not make him necessarily a bad person, this clearly musn't be a common issue or else you would likly not be friends for so long. As your poll suggest you should probably try talking to your friend about your issue. After all if you have been friends for 20 years then he should be willing to listen.

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