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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:41 pm 
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All my life I've had the inability to relate to people. Making friends was nearly impossible, but I soon discovered it was disorder related and I got diagnosed as ADHD-PI.

Basically my days consists of rapidly changing mood swings, memory issues (working memory especially) and mental fatigue. I've been taking supplements to balance these chemicals and it's helped treat my intense anxiety and improve my mental stamina. )Those with ADHD-PI would be able to relate with this). Before I was over-stimulated by touch and developed too much anxiety in the presence of women, but now it seems that I'm not even interested anymore. It may have had an effect on my libido, but anyways, any of you guys with similar issues? What have you guys done to help this? How different was before/after meds?


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I have ADHD. And it presents similar problems. My medicine, Vyvanse, makes me into a very responsible and self-discplined worker, but I often don't feel like myself and during tough weeks of school I get depressed because I literally feel as if I am someone else. I've discovered that the feeling I get from this medicine is making me into someone else it just focuses my thoughts onto my responsibilities and makes me think more objectively.

As for ADHD-PI I have never heard of this. But I can tell you that when if a doctor is giving you a drug for one thing and then another drug to treat a side-effect of the drug treating your condition you begin to head down a slippery slope of dependency.

I'm going to make an unconventional and controversial recommendation I highly encourage you to take before you write it off. I live in Colorado and I am a registered Medicinal Marijuana user. So try smoking some weed. Yep, do it. Nope, don't second guess it. I'm not saying become a stoner, but smoking a little weed at home before you go to bed "reveals you to yourself" (Bob Marley) It allows for a certain degree of self-reflection, reflections that can help you use your own powerful mind to overcome issues. Also it makes you much more emotional, so if you are particularly emotional it helps. Sativa strains also help treat depression while Indica will help anxiety.

I simply think that taking multiple prescription drugs will get you know where and is a quick, temporary fix to deeper problems. Do you really want to take pills all your life?

Weed will not help you with memory issues, but contrary to popular belief it only effects your memory while you're under it's influence and the experienced smoker know that the amount consumed can be controlled and regulated to avoid become "stooopid high". With weed I have treated my own ADHD, depression, anxiety, back pain, and it is alot more enjoyable and less-harmful than pills. I don't where you are, but most places the penalty for weed is insignificant and police officers will often treat it like a speeding ticket. I encourage you to smoke a small amount of ganja and put on some nice music and let your thoughts take control it will lead you to personal realizations that will step-up your inner game, treat depression, hyper-activity, anxiety, and sex is awesome when your high. but don't smoke to much because that can cause temporary paranoia, the "stoopids", and the inability to interact.


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I have ADHD. And it presents similar problems. My medicine, Vyvanse, makes me into a very responsible and self-discplined worker, but I often don't feel like myself and during tough weeks of school I get depressed because I literally feel as if I am someone else. I've discovered that the feeling I get from this medicine is making me into someone else it just focuses my thoughts onto my responsibilities and makes me think more objectively.

As for ADHD-PI I have never heard of this. But I can tell you that when if a doctor is giving you a drug for one thing and then another drug to treat a side-effect of the drug treating your condition you begin to head down a slippery slope of dependency.

I'm going to make an unconventional and controversial recommendation I highly encourage you to take before you write it off. I live in Colorado and I am a registered Medicinal Marijuana user. So try smoking some weed. Yep, do it. Nope, don't second guess it. I'm not saying become a stoner, but smoking a little weed at home before you go to bed "reveals you to yourself" (Bob Marley) It allows for a certain degree of self-reflection, reflections that can help you use your own powerful mind to overcome issues. Also it makes you much more emotional, so if you are particularly emotional it helps. Sativa strains also help treat depression while Indica will help anxiety.

I simply think that taking multiple prescription drugs will get you know where and is a quick, temporary fix to deeper problems. Do you really want to take pills all your life?

Weed will not help you with memory issues, but contrary to popular belief it only effects your memory while you're under it's influence and the experienced smoker know that the amount consumed can be controlled and regulated to avoid become "stooopid high". With weed I have treated my own ADHD, depression, anxiety, back pain, and it is alot more enjoyable and less-harmful than pills. I don't where you are, but most places the penalty for weed is insignificant and police officers will often treat it like a speeding ticket. I encourage you to smoke a small amount of ganja and put on some nice music and let your thoughts take control it will lead you to personal realizations that will step-up your inner game, treat depression, hyper-activity, anxiety, and sex is awesome when your high. but don't smoke to much because that can cause temporary paranoia, the "stoopids", and the inability to interact.

I've smoked weed before, many times actually, and I found that while it gives me a good feeling most of the time, it also makes me anxious other times. Weed also makes me really dumb... like retarded status, so while it may affect some ADDers and help them focus, it does the opposite to me.


ADHD-PI is the opposite of the average ADHDer. They are not hyperactive, but they are inattentive, in other words they zone out constantly. Imagine the teacher of charlie brown talking... that was almost what everyone sounded like that didn't speak slowly. I also have lots of issues controlling thoughts, impulsivity, emotions, etc. Being able to connect thoughts and form sentences also has been an issue.

I already know the issuse with being on/off pills but its worth a try. I'm very aware of dependency issues and I'm actually extremely healthconscious.


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That's good. I'm trying to think of other ways I can help you. Maybe you should write out a few things and memorize them so they are automatic. Like a few DHV stories, openers, get a basic easy to use formula for introducing yourself and building rapport and internalize it.

Do you take adderall or vyvanse?


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My brother's best friend smokes weed to calm himself down from ADHD and SHELL SHOCK (former US Army soldier) It helps him,so I see no reason in y it shouldn't help u. Try finding forums for others with ur diagnosed ADHD-PI,and see how they go about it. Sorry that I have much more to help.

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You people are full of crap and are accepting defeat. You are making excuses. STOP! You are in control of your body, thoughts and emotions at all times. Yes, your individual thoughts will be completely random and the resulting body impulses and emotions will follow those random thoughts, but those can be steered in the direction you want them to.

I love to yell at people when they tell me they are bi-polar, depressed, or some other stupid mental issue. You are NOT SICK. You are just uneducated. No one has shown you the correct path to enlightenment. Most of the time these guys simply have an extreme lack of control over their own lives. They get depressed and take a pill. Pills kill us inside from who we really are and create a personality that is not us. Like drugs (because they ARE one), they create a crutch for the things you lack in life. Sure, I will admit, there are people who have an ACTUAL brain issue that creates odd state of mind, but these people are rare and is spotted in early childhood. Teachers will tell parents, "your kid has ADD or ADHD." This is usually because the little bastard has a lot of energy and no release, so here is an idea, MEDICATE HIM! Kill the genius inside so we don't have to deal with it. No one, including doctors want to deal with the work of helping people anymore, they just want a quick fix and what better fix then a crutch.

Success is a state of mind. I was once diagnosed with depression. I believed it for years and popped depression meds. Then one day I attempted to kill myself! Well that did not work out well. Funny how FAILING at that ticket will make you feel even more like a failure LOL. But I realized something short after, we are all in control of our own destinies.

You want to know how to change it and be your best self? I don't have the direct answers to your direct problems but I sure as hell know who does.

Start here... (I cant post the link due to the time I have been a member, but instead do this...)

Google, "virus protection for the mind"
It will be the top legit web site called Zenhabits. READ IT.

THEN,

Google Anthony Robbins and Brian Tracy. Experts on the psychology of how we think. Get their books or audio stuff or just illegally pirate it, I don't care how you do it but take the power back from everyone else. Its your life. Take fate by the balls and scream aloud (in pain or some random inspiration message).

We are on this planet once. Make the most of it. Good luck buddy. You can do it.


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most years of my life i had a social disorder and chronical deppresion, i also have chemical imbalance because i was a athlete and exercised several hours every day for many years . got injuries and stopped sporting - doing drugs etc ...... anyway i still have some physical depressions but im aware of them, don't resist it ... just think'''hey i have this chemical balance and it's making me feel bad... this is not who i am and im probably going to have it many days more so .. it's ok no problem''

if you stop being aware and you get angry or depressed you're going to feel bad because your identifying with it instead of telling yourself it's not really who you are. it's just a part of your physical state.

in the competitive sporting industry people take supplements like proteine shakes , creatine and all these herbal shit..... i just told myself i don't need that shit because that's not who i am - i don't want to make it easier i want to make it harder so it's more rewarding and above all... i like beat challenges that take place in my own mind. Stop taking easy-paths to fake-improvement and stop thinking you're a victim.... most people in 3th world countries would rather live where you at now with ADHD in quadruple effect.

also you don't need medicine or drugs ,this thing is just a part of your physical state and you need to accept your body for what it is . using drugs just is just another to solve your problems of not accepting yourself - however if you think it helps and you like it you should do it - im only telling you there are more solutions.

did you even know that your anxiety has almost nothing to do with the chemical imbalance itself ? it's just a misinterpretation, i stepped up to woman with the anxiety and i don't even have it anymore. what make you anxious is the (sub) unconcious thoughts of your disorders - it's a unconcious insecurity that your mind recognize and the result = FEAR ..... because you unconciously think you have less value. some guys even need to dress well otherwise their AA controls them entirely.

look chemical imbalance also is magnified when you face more stress... when your GF dumps you etc... but it's funny how everything dissappears when the person understand his own being and becomes aware. Through spiritual teaching they understood the proces they have been through and were not stressed anymore with the result ; their stresshormones or chemical imbalance decreases.
i believe it's a psychological state and i really think the mind and soul is stronger than the physical state. most cases of psychological disorders were developed over time probably by a traumatic event - what create these negative emotions ? negative associations which people indentify themself with, negative thought and emotions

People don't want you to get healed from psychological problems , they rather pump you full of suppressing drugs let's face it. If people were healed the pharmaceutical industry would lose all it's customers. WHO in earth knows the RDA of chemical in your brains ? noone because if you study articles about imbalance you see that every person has a different chemical balance level and thus treshold.

from my experience i've seen anti-depressics do more harm than good and i've studied the articles that shown negative results of almost all drugs ( like ritalin etc), those articles are not generally available because the industry don't want you to read it they want customers. im not saying you should not take any drugs.. there would be a few cases where it helped people , im only saying in most cases it's not needed.

i know i have different persons in me from the day i committed suicide , i still get particular thoughts about suicide or harming people but i just observe those thoughts and don't take ownership of them. what i've also discovered is that i get multiple way of creativity from this event, like it's a tool. it's like mutiple persons are thinking along for any solutions maybe it's telepathy i don't know but also do realize psychology is a psuedo science and they just make solutions based on observance and not on understanding the complex process. i think some thinks are not meant to be understood by our physical mind .

like rushbo said .. you're just uneducated.. your just being ruled by social conditioning and haunting indentities - social events which has pros and cons. your partens don't want to deal with you being all energetic so they pump you full with ritalin, they don't accept you for who you are because they expect their children to be all healthy and superior......

ALL EXTERNAL OBJECTS VALUES remove you further away from INNER VALUES, your best self is not a constant natural state because you have to deal with this mind and physical state so sometimes it's 20 % and sometimes it's 90%. don't let other people tell you waht's good for you and get rid of this social conditioning, decide for yourself and chose what's good for you.
do you think a person with paralyzed legs need a wheelchair ? NO they don't ,what they need is something to make them better so they can walk again - but according to society they are a small group of people..... it's easier to put them in wheelchairs and label them as retarded. yeah right .... stephen hawkins... fucking unhuman high IQ.... instead of pumping zillions into researching ways to make these people walk again. People force you to external validation , external values and external objects because they want a consumer who is willing to invest into the economy. they want you to be unhappy and they want you to be uneducated so they can grow rich....

i can remember conversations with psychologists and other people in that certain sector.... well sir ... yeah that's bad ... im going to subscribe you some meds.
me : how the fuck do you know what i have ?
he : well i studied psychology...and i based it on my observations
me : yeah you just read books and base your conclusion on that, i can do that myself.
he : that's massive oversimplification....
me : yeah maybe .. or maybe not ... how many people did you helped ?
he : many
me : how many people failed and committed suicide ?
he : i don't know
me : you should ... you should know trial and error right ?
he : most cases where months after i've lost contact with my clients
me : so you don't know how to help them otherwise they wouldn't commit suicide right ? if psychology or meds are the solution then why is everybody so fucked up ?
he : well some cases have different needs and different solutions , we need to try out different solutions.
me : patients should be killed in the process ?
he : that's a radical statement
me : mmm yeah but there is a core of truth in there
he : look i do everything i can and im here to help and i think this is the best way
me : yes but if the solution isn't consistent then psychology would be a psuedo science
he : it's partly psuedo science

IT's A PSUEDO SCIENCE and also be aware psychologist are socially conditioned, they are human as well and they often don't even know what's good for you.

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I dont think a lot of you guys understand ADHD-PI well enough to be commenting on it. First off, there is NO hyperactivity. ADHD stands for predominantly inattentive. Imagine everyone sounding like the charlie brown teacher. Imagine your mind racing to a point you cannot do the simplest tasks such as doing the laundry, organizing, or cleaning. Imagine your mind being blank. Imagine thoughts not coming to your head. Imagine not being able to stop imagining- zoning out 247.

Also, while most people can overcome social anxiety with practice, some people cannot. It's a chemical imbalance. I've read tons of articles on self improvement, and while it allows me to understand how everything is in my mind, and it helps, it doesn't get rid of the anxiety. It allows me to control it. I had such bad anxiety even after putting myself into a fraternity, after being around so many girls, my heart continued to race and my hand shook when I asked for some girls number.


Anyways, I'm not going to just pop ritalin and expect it to cure me. First off, ritalin has an extremely short half life, and unless its abused , it wont harm you. I am very hesitant going through the medicated route as well but when you cant even focus enough to remember a persons name 5 minutes after they told you, its time to get SPAM.

I already know a lot of psychiatrists are pill pushers, and psychologists in my opinion are useful in certain cases. Anyways, I've been doing all the research myself, and if I do decide to use meds, its going to be used as tools. IE. Using it before a test, or exam. Or getting laid haha.


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I have dyspraxia which is a form of dyslexia, i'll put it this way, people with dyslexia get their words or numbers mixed around, i get concepts, rules and memory mixed around, i find it hard to learn new things and understand what people are talking about, if i'm under stress it's like they're talking a different language, this led to me becoming introverted and incredibly stressed out all the time and i saw negative things as everyone else's fault.

All this had a direct impact on me getting girls, as i'd come off as weird and put them off, and it affected my work and social interactions.

I only found out i had this last year, but since i did i've been able to find strategies and exercises that helped me cope with it, and when i became interested in the pick-up community it helped even more, within 3 days of reading the game i had people coming up to me every 5 minutes or so at my local commenting on how i'd gone from a creepy weirdo to the life of the party and how happy i looked.

I hope there's something in there that can be of help to someone, but for me i feel less like a hopeless case every day because i face the problem head on and challenge it rather than slipping back into my old ways


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these people telling you to go off your medication. i would really love to see your medical degree......

WHO THE FUCK GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT DO WITH PRESCRIBED MEDICATION.

ARE YOU A DOCTOR NO.

with that said i cant begin to appreciate what your condition is like. but i did like the suggestion to memorise some HHV stories. openers etc. that way you dont lose focus when your talking to girls.

also go speak to people with this.

im an alcoholic. and i know ppl will say oh just go out and have 1 u will be ok. these people have no idea about my condition and if i listened to them i could end up dead.


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