It is common knowledge to know that everybody on this forum is here for one primary reason - to be in a community where we all help improve our ability to pick up women.

However, beyond that ability is our subjective views towards women. I remember back when I started The Game that I could never have the ability to feel nothing for the women I meet. Every girl I approached that were successful built a connection that would gain my respect for her in some way. For me to view them in a way that they were merely a 'prize to be won' or 'a game' is totally sickening in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, if you view them as a game then that is your own subjective view and you are entitled to as a much as I am to my own view.

When I pick up women I do so on the feeling that I want to be around their company, whether it would end up as friends or an intimate or interpersonal relationship doesn't matter as long as I can take her average life and make it into something more exciting and interesting. With her doing the same thing for me. However I think some of us sway away from this because we're scared incase we get hurt along the lines. It is obvious that one day or another when sarging we will get hurt or disappointed, that just comes with the package I suppose.

But what about you guys? This is your chance to say anything, I will not judge you nor criticize you. Speak about yourself, why you started this and what are your views on women. Lets just say your trying to DHV in my eyes.

AFCCoffee

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"At the end of the day these are women's lives we're dealing with, not mere entertainment."

"We are what we repeatedly do. excellence therefore is a habit and not an act."

I think that the way you think about women is the exact reason why you suck in getting them. I used to be a lot like that too. All my life I dumped every girl that approached me because I had only 1 intention: "Find that one special extremely good looking and nice and wonderful girl and marry her.". I didn't want many girlfriends. I only wanted that special one and marry her. I wanted the best one possible. That resulted in me avoiding any relationship with any girl with the mayor consequence that I suddenly realized that I sucked with women because of my lack of experience with them.

All this love and feeling and all this crap is bullshit. Yes, every woman is just a number. If you date women, you will realize that. You will also realize that you yourself are viewed as just a number. When you start dating you will see that your girlfriend is first completely crazy for you and suddenly in 1 day she doesn't want you anymore and doesn't even want to hang out, call or see you anymore because she lost her interest in you. Love and dating and all the feelings related to that are there because you need them to reproduce. At the end you have all these feelings because you want to reproduce as much as possible with as many women as possible. There is nothing romantic about love. It is a game, it is a number game. You may not like it but that doesn't make it less the truth. Mystery already figured it out for you. You are on this planet to make babies. Feelings are necessary side effects. You want sex because it gives you a good feeling. But the purpose of that feeling is to make you have sex because you were built to reproduce. If sex wouldn't give you a good feeling, you wouldn't reproduce. It is as simple as that. Stop romantisizing. Wake up and go fuck.

I suck in getting them? I don't see one peice of evidence that suggests that. I'm fine with getting women.

AFCCoffee

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"At the end of the day these are women's lives we're dealing with, not mere entertainment."

"We are what we repeatedly do. excellence therefore is a habit and not an act."

Before I started I thought of girls as some kind of magical creatures, probably with personalities quite like ours but definately difficult to catch. You could look your entire life to find anyone even remotely interested in you and you should feel honored.

As an rAFC I saw girls as something of a mystery, something I would learn to understand.

As I progressed in PUAdom I saw girls as gamepieces, something that I had lost a bit of respect for since they respond to ridiculus routines and shit. I was the master and I had the power.

Now, I see girls like some kind of magical creatures, probably with personalities quite like ours bur definately not difficult to catch. You just have to walk down the street and notice heads turning and girls checking you out. A smile here, a raised eyebrow there. If I find a girl who is completely awesome I will game her. I will game other girls as well but I will get bored since she isnt up to my expectations. It is too easy to just go for the next so why bother. If that one girl will end up having a conversation with me and we manage to not suck enough to get something going. We should both feel honored because I have then found a girl on my own level.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I see them as something soft and nice to hug Nice smelling too

I can't help it Sometimes I like to hug girls more than sex

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here's something I will actually say to some of the girls I game, I see myself and HER as an experience, we are beautiful creatures, every human is in some way a story to tell. I'm not looking for a LTR now, but I offer more then just a lay (a good one but still) I offer a story and I expect to get one too. I enjoy women emotionally as much as I enjoy them sexually.

When I started I wanted to be loved, but I couldn't cross that way to sexuality, then I got hurt, and justed wanted to get laid a lot, I did, but after that I had one relationship which actually thought me that I can be loved, truly loved and not only love someone else.

And now, I'm not just a number for a girl, I'm this awesome AWESOME thing that happened to her.

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"StreetLight!! Stop seeing every problem in life like it's a chick you didn't hit on!"

Pardon any typos in advance bc I'm on my phone...

Women are sexual creatures just like men. Women want to be fucked and women want to be cared for at times as well. Women't aren't a prize, that view is incompatible with being successful with them anyway.

Where women differ from men is in the availability of sex. Any reasonably attractive woman can have sex at will, whereas this simply isn't the case with men. For women it's about far more than appearance, and I don't mean to throw the whole of men under the bus when I say that for us it pretty much is. Women fantasize about the man they want, and he is someone who, simply put, doesn't disappoint them He is unprredictable, he is sweet but he is strong, he is adventurous, he is sexy, and he knows what turns a woman on. You will never win a girl, you will never knock her out with your killer approach. The "Game" I play is not one-sided, it is an intricate dance between both parties. In my Game she will fuck me from the start, but only if I live up to myself.

It is less like Poker and more like Jenga. It isn't about deception or bluffing, but about knowing which pieces to pull and when. And when I score, we both win, because every girl wants every guy to live up to her sexual fantasies. Women want to fuck you, all of you, but you gotta prove to them you have what it takes. So don't think you've ever won a girl, she probably enjoyed it too.[/url]

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agreed

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