hi everyone, i'm having a problem were i could need some help. I'm kind of "dating" the girl next door. I've met her in a bar and noticed that she's living next to me. she is giving me a lot if ioi's and she texts me every day and some nights we're taking a walk around the block together and talk. but there is one problem, she haves a boyfriend and sometimes she talks about him. but on the other side she's giving me a lot of ioi's (holding hands, hugging, giving eachother comliments about our looks). what should be my gameplan to avoid the "lets just be friend" talk after trying to kiss her?

thanks!

im not one to encourage breaking people up, but i'll say meet the guy and see if he's worth the girl.

or if want to be "ruthless", DLV him like crazy and DHV yourself. it works on everyone, even when i had to deal with a mPUA going after my girl.

look up the straw man technique(google).. everyone should use this it fucking rocks!

and here's the whole problem: how do you, as a PUA yourself defend against all these techniques? dont people realise that these techniques can be used by another guy to mercilessly destroy you and get your gf?

everyone got some issues with their relationship partner, and those who are closest get to hear about them, but that dosent mean that they dont are happy togheter...
but you have to see the big picture, if they are happy, and hes a good guy, not som psycho asshole, leave them be, be a bether person and dont go aroun destroying peoples relationships, it can all blast back one day...

exactly. even as a hardcore pua myself, i have one principle - no girls with bfs. it just sucks to break people up. plus no one has definitively written on the subject of protecting yourself from these techniques yet.

everyone will have relationship issues - its a fact.

well i once hooked up with a girl that was with a guy sort of, but not like a bf type of guy, (it was with a guy she was just hooking up with and not her bf)

wasnt that hard at all, but the girls who have bfs are usually the ones that are worth going for and are pretty good looking

here is the straw man technique, have fun and good luck bro

http://charmingrogue.com/straw-man-tech ... -unveiled/

i was well aware of a similar technique to the straw man, but didnt know there was a name to it, or even the whole 'straw man fallacy'. very interesting stuff, thanks.
yeah the whole idea of saying good things about the boyfriend, she'll be like "well, hes not that great, he does this sometimes and this and that other times". also conveys indifference and doesnt make you seem needy, unlike talking down the boyfriend, thats when she starts defending him

I'd stay away from the girls with boyfriends.

It's kind of dumb to break a couple up just because you want to make love to her doggy style once...

It's not a good move unless you are 100% sure that the dude is a toolbag and like abuses her, or is just a shitty shitty neglectful boyfriend.

I've been in this situation, and then it's not even fun. In those situations it's even harder, because she will defend him if you try to point out the MAJOR flaws. So you just have to use more discreet ways to game. Then it's okay i think to break it up. But as a PUA, you should always leave the girl better off than when you found her.

That being said. It is on a situation by situation basis, and there are no judgements.

In a real relationship, I cant imagine so much one on one time with another guy being cool with he boyfriend. I mean, i'm not a jealous person, but if my girlfriend was hanging out with, texting every day, and going on walks with some dude, I would not be a happy camper.

So the IOI's are definitely there. so you'd have to start kino now, in a non threatening way, to avoid ljbf, but at the same time, to deal with the boyfriend, you need to either Point out the flaws in a PUA way, or build up the boyfriend so she negates the ideas you present to her. but you need to progress the situation.

wow, amazing! im lost for words, thats fucking awesome! ill remember that, it is officially part of my moral code.

mad respect dudes. unfortunately, 95% or so of the PUA community dont give a shit. i have been in this situation before as the victim, and i know it fucking sucks, hence its hardwired into my moral code, dont break people up.

being a PUA is like being a jedi, you have to be strong in the force and use it for good... or you will end up on the dark side:P
that was kina nerdy!

Difficult one. I really feel a little guilty when I'm even thinking of destroying someones relationship..

At the moment I have the same issue.. A girl who can't stop looking at me after more than 8 months now I ignore it and she drops more IOI by the day..

I thought she would have lost interest by now but she doesnt..

you have two options:

1. move her into LJBF zone. thats what i did with some of girls i had no interest in. i keep them as buddies to hang out with only.

2. be an asshole. lol, not recommended tho.

oh man it worked!
yesterday i went to her place, and we were just talking. I just red the article about "straw man technique" (thanks for the tip"the heartless kid" and "jazz25") so i thought, fuck it im going to use it. i said to her "how's your boyfriend doing, oh my god it must be so incredible to with a guy who knows how to fulfill you in every way you truly need to be fulfilled". she agreed and we continued talking, but i noticed that she was thinking about her relationship. finally she told me that her boyfriend cant fulfill her needs and that she's unhappy with him, that he's ignoring her for a while etc.. suddenly she said "i'm going to break up with him in 2 days". í was like wow, oke!. then we continued talking and finally i told her "wow, i'm trying so hard not to kiss you right now". she looked me in the eyes en winked at me and told me that she also want to do it so bad but that she dont want to cheat. she said that she is going to break up with him in 2 days and after that we're going to kiss
thanks! and everyone should look to the "straw man technique". that shit really works!

mexx