so i have been working on myself. i've always been able to open. so take tonight for example. i had a few women i really had engaged...we were talking, but because my short game is good i take it too far and it fizzles. my transition/mid game is not good...i can be honest about that.

smooth opening...just natural...after that eventually i just crash and fizzle...darn it!!!

so frustrating...some of the girls tonight were cute!!!

I may have a solution.
leave early

Put a time constraint on, and if you made your early game good, then suddenly leave, they should be happy for when you come back.

if they see you talking to other girls, either there going to get all worked up about it (in a bad way) or they're going to be alot happier when you come back.

So yea, kinda repeated myself there, but you get what i mean.

Eventually you should increase your time constraint - ie, 5 mins for one week, then 10 mins for the next

taking baby steps is the key
you have to learn to crawl before you can walk

I both agree and disagree with Twelvegone. The time constraint will be useful yes, but if you haven't built up enough attraction/interest within that limited amount of time, you will end up losing the set anyway.

I also had this problem for a while, but I found that by constantly putting myself in the uncomfortable position of failing, I was able to identify my mistakes and learn from them more easily.

This was, for me, the best way of learning.

"Transitioning" is much easier if you set yourself up for the next step, ahead of time. You're probably having problems because you're trying to shoot a "lay up" from the half court.

Guys who've always had no problems with "opening" are usually social and can chat with any girl as if they are ordering a sandwich from a girl at a deli counter. This is both a blessing and a sticking point. While guys who are too busy thinking about pussy can't even open their mouths, naturally social guys often let the conversations wander in any direction as long as everybody in the group gets along with a smile.

You'll want to focus on "flirting" from the very beginning and guide the conversation the way you see fit. This doesn't necessarily mean that YOU have to be the focal point. Just simply guide the topics to "dating", "sex", "kissing", etc . . . Both parties will eventually want to bring "each other" into the conversation.

Well the time limit idea i think would be interesting to try. Twelvegone/Teddy-G, i think about it consciously but i also don't really pull out of the conversation either. it's like i know in my head that the time has passed for having "moved" on.

yeah...shooting the lay up from half court sounds about right. my friends love going out with me because they know i can help them get into sets. kasabi, you called me to a T...as long as we're talking i'm not really planning anymore. i can see that is an issue because i lose focus and direction of the conversation. very valid point.