Hi guys

I've read the Game and a little bit of the forum, and I find your pua techniques fascinating. It should be fun indeed to try them in the wild.

However I'm now stuck in some kind of ethical paradox...

My understanding is that gentlemen must endeavor to entertain and seduce women (and I know they love when we do it). When you're not a natural, it's only fair and logical to learn to do it in a proper way.

But as gentlemen, it's also our duty to respect and regard women. Right? I mean true love is also a matter of honesty and sincerity. Given the highly manipulative nature of pua theory, even if it's effective, it seems a bit contradictory.

So here's the paradox: If you love and respect women enough to give them what they really want and need from you, do you ironically have to be dishonest and manipulative with them ? Can you be a pua and a good man at the same time?

Any idea? How do you guys deal with ethical cockblocking?

With cockblocking ... I usually tend to ignore (even turn my back on the guys) the other AFC's in the group ... and you'll find on the forum that ignoring other guys in the group is the best route and just show people how Alpha-Male you are through DHV, C&F, etc!

With the ethical dilemma with being a PUA ... Just ask yourself why you even want to be a PUA?

Yes some people might find that we are manipulative and shady ... The truth is ... your improving yourself to be the kind of man women find attractive and desirable! Its a win-win situation here! Plus women can be just as manipulative as a PUA ... with all their short skirts, make-up, and push-up bras to attract the bad boys ... tell me those aren't being manipulative...

In all honesty, its just how the way you look at being a PUA and what your objectives are...

I hope I squashed some of your insecurities with PUA or whatever ... if not please reply in kind!

Cheers!

Just do inner game work. Then you won't use any lines or openers. You will still be frusturated, but you will grow as a person without being unethical. Morality brings much discomfort, but it will pay off in longevity.

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Walk Hard

I'm not sure I want to be a PUA, but I definitively find it interesting. Like playing with fire...

Actually I wonder if the risk is not to become some kind of a Dexter of Love.

You know, always rationalizing everything that should be emotional, approaching every situation with a cold mind and some tricks up your sleeve, analyzing every moves, always keeping the control... but finally being more and more cynical... Powerful maybe but also a bit empty.

I don't know... Maybe it's the biggest thing since the invention of sophism or buddhism. Or else it's just another fun way to circumvent the real life.

Your just delaying the inevitable. Jump in it and stop thinking so much.

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Walk Hard

PUA doesnt mean that you'll become some heartless guy who only uses women for sex.

Have I ever had more than one girl at a time without one knowing about the other? YES

Why? No not because i wanted my friends to think i was a player. It was so i could go and find a really great girl twice as fast.

Just live with the golden rule. "Always leave them better off then when you met them."